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Topic: How do guys finger this triplet? |
Frank Parish
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Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2007 5:27 pm |
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| Think about the lick at the end of Does Fortworth Ever Cross Your Mind and how do you play that triplet or one like it? I play it T 2F T but I see a lot of guys using T 1F 2F and one guy likes to use just his thumb. How about you? |
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Gary Shepherd
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Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 4:04 am
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| According to the window 193 people have viewed this post at this point but only two have responded. Now why is that? Surely there must be more than only the ones who did. |
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Roger Crawford
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Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 5:36 am
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| Probably because most of 'em didn't have a good answer for you. I'm for T 1 2 myself. |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Bo Borland
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South Jersey -
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 11:41 am
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Hi Frank.. i just gave it a listen and a try .. if you are talking about the second repeat over the swing beat ending (the last 4 bars) of the tune..
No matter where I played it, starting on C at fret 3AB or at 8 across the neck or up the neck to 15AB , i still fingered it 2-1-T for each of the triplets..
It sounds like twin steel harmony or steel and guitar doing a twin triplet lick in harmony and I am playing the melody line here.
I started as a finger style 6 string player and never learned or needed to cross over pick on steel .. so it's more natural to me this way.
Hope this helps or at least doesn't embarrass me , like Mikey D 
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Bo Borland
Rittenberry SD10 , Derby D-10, Quilter TT12, Peavey Session 400 w/ JBL, NV112, Fender Blues Jr. , 1974 Dobro 60N squareneck, Rickenbacher NS lapsteel, 1973 Telecaster Thinline, 1979 blonde/black Frankenstrat
Currently picking with
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 11:58 am
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| T12,palm blocking. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 12:04 pm
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Well, I read the thread, but, if I have heard the lick, I can't remember it. I was once on a gig with a band who did the tune, though, and I made it up as I went along.
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Marc Weller
From:
Upland, Ca. 91784
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 12:15 pm
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I find that I can't palm block my 2nd finger. I pinky block 2 and palm block T and 1. Anyone else do it this way?
MW |
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Bo Borland
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South Jersey -
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 1:42 pm
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If we are all talking about the same steel part ...The line, as recorded, is an ascending triplet of decending notes, over the C chord that resolves to the C ending chord.
I can't play it T-1-2. I have to pick it 2-1-T and on the fourth triplet I use 2-2-1 or 2-2-T.
As to the blocking .. the more I thought about how I did it.. the dirtier it got.
Be like Roger.. wing it!
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Bo Borland
Rittenberry SD10 , Derby D-10, Quilter TT12, Peavey Session 400 w/ JBL, NV112, Fender Blues Jr. , 1974 Dobro 60N squareneck, Rickenbacher NS lapsteel, 1973 Telecaster Thinline, 1979 blonde/black Frankenstrat
Currently picking with
Mason Dixon Band masondixonband.net |
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 2:17 pm
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2-1-T
Baz
Last edited by basilh on 12 Jan 2007 7:13 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dave Ristrim
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Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 5:43 am
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I believe Bo had it right. I just listened to the lick, and as far as I can tell it is a triplet of notes going downward. The first notes are a 3rd, a 2nd and a root of "C". For me, I don't see any other way of playing it other than M(middle), I(index), T(thumb).
Now if you're talking about a quick triplet lick going upward, root, 2nd, 3rd then climbing the inversions, then I would play it T-T-I with palm blocking. In other words, in G strarting at the third fret would be strings 8, 7, 6 (3rd fret), #8, 7, 6 (6th fret), 8, 7, #6 (10th fret). Now keep in mind, that's just how I would do it.
Does that make sense? |
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Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 6:53 am
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Can someone post the lick?
Jay |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 7:15 am
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I listened to the track, even slowed the lick down with CoolEdit, but between the steel, lead guitar, and fiddle, it's difficult for me to hear what instrument's doing what inversion.
But it sounds to me like the licks are played on strings 3-1-4, and I fingered T-2-T.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 7:21 am Re: How do guys finger this triplet?
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Mikey D....you are naughty about the wrong meaning of Frank's question  Nice thought though
Micky Byrne U.K. www.mickybyrne.com |
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Dave Ristrim
From:
Whites Creek, TN
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 8:36 am
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Okay, Herb, I think you're on to something, but...
What I just came up with, and of course there are more ways to play it, is.....
3rd fret---string 4, 2 (lowered half), 5 (raise whole)
3rd fret---string 3 (raised half), 1, 4
8th fret---string 3, 1, 4
11th fret--string 3, 1 4 (raised half)
15th fret--string 3 (raised half)
I think these are the notes anyway. There are a couple other ways to do it, AND, I could be wrong. I would finger all these triplets I-M-T
The steel may be starting on the second inversion and climbing one higher, I don't have time right now to figure out anything else. I'll check back later.
Dave |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 8:53 am
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The steel player, incidentally, most probably is Weldon. Hank DeVito is also listed on the album, but the licks sound like Weldon to me.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Dean Parks
From:
Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 9:05 am
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How about
Fret 08 string 6, 7, 8
Fret 11 string 6, 7, 8#
Fret 15 string 6B, 7, 8
Fret 15 string 5B~5, 6B
Fret 15 string 6B
Fingered
2,1,T
2,1,T
2,1,T
2~- 1
T |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 12:47 pm
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Intersting stuff here guys. Dave is sitting at his guitar sounds like! I've played it a ton of different ways either going up or down using strings 8-7-6 either way but for me if I were going to play a scale of Do Re Me La So and back again I always use the T and 2 and leave the 1 out altogether. For this little ditty I hear 8-7-6 or 6-7-8 depending on which way you like it but playing it t-1-2 going up always throws me for blocking. For a descending way to play it using 6-7-8 I'd play it 3-2-T and still using my fingers in either direction seems to prove a blocking problem for me. Sometimes I get it clean and other times I just don't.
An excercise messing with this could go like this in the key of G.
8-7-6 open 3rd fret
8-7-6# 5th fret
8b-7-6 8th fret
8-7-6# 10th fret
8b-7-6-5 13th fret
8-7-6 15th fret
Now I'm not sitting at the guitar as it's packed up from last night so if I got this wrong forgive me but I think you'll get the idea. I use a lot 6th stuff dropping my E knee lever on E9. I'm just curious as to how most folks play this lick on 8-7-6. It seems most just go T-1-2 abd block it the way they learned. This is the type of thing that wanted me to learn pick blocking for years and I just never got it right and always went back to pinky/palm and sometimes ring finger blocking. It's more comfortable for me to play with my hand pretty straight out and not have the curve going to the left I see on some. Turning my hand would throw it all off but something else to look at is I try to stay pretty much at the 12th fret for 95% of my playiing unless it's just a tone I'm looking for but watch where each finger lands and for me it lands from the 12th fret on up from there probably to the 14th. Not that that's a bad thing but it's just something that I've noticed throughout the years. By curving your hand you could get it on mostly one fret all at the same time but that curve gives me hand cramps and always did. Dave it seems like me and you were going to get together a while back. I'd love to see if you could teach me how to pick block. I've always thought it would improve my accuracy and blocking. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 5:13 am
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I am thinking that it doesn't really matter as long as the player is executing the MUSIC cleanly and in time.
On this tune I play T,1,2...I don't really know if that is correct in Pedal Steel Etiquette.
but....
I recall going to a seminar with Doug and I was playing some things he was showing us at meter, I was playing T,T,1 or T,1,2...
he came by and pretty much told me that what I was doing was fine but I would probably never get over the 100 bpm hump with either of those routines.
He showed me, US, the crossover of T,2,T or T,1,T whiich allows for getting over the HUMP....
I have put many exercise into place for T,2,T but I gotta tell ya it is really hard to go backwards and start over .
I play the Orange Blossom Special phrase up and down the neck using the crossover as a practice routine. Alternate T,2,T,2,T,2,T,2 for all 8 notes in the phrase.
Try it, it will kill ya ! It's the thinking part that is the problem right now, the fingers are fine, it's the brain part. I'm close but not there yet . It's not auto pilot yet.
So here's the deal, if you play T,1,2 or T,1,T or T,2,T, or even 2,1,T it gives you the option of playing any of the combinations that feel right to you.
But don't leave out T,2,T or T,1,T.... |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 5:32 am
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| Well Tony that's something that I was glad to read. Doug Jernigan is one of my favorite jazz players if not my very most favorite and I didn't know that he was fingering it T2T2T like that. I've always played this kind of stuff like that and just noticed so many here seem to go for T 1 2 when it comes to consecutive strings in a row like 8-7-6. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 9:47 am
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Frank, I believe Doug was referring to playing at meter and not necessarily playing triads but I think at the end of the day they are one and the same . Dougs comment was directly to me about playing above 100bpm using T,1,2.. It appears the fastest dudes in town are doing it with alternating T and 1 or 2...
After practicing somewhat it I can feel that alternating T and 2 or can be very fast..it just doesnt' feel natural right now..maybe in another 3 or 4 years 
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