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Topic: JV1010 driver won't load |
Lyle Bradford
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Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 8:04 am |
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| I have tried everything but it will not load in Win 98. It says it is in BIAB midi options but in systems under control panel and game controlers etc the driver will never show up as loaded no matter how I do it. When i try and load it from add programs it says driver cannot be found on cd. I have used the driver that came with it as long I have had it with no problems. I also had a friend's copy and he knows it is good and I still get the same message. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Lyle. |
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Dave Potter
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 9:02 am Re: JV1010 driver won't load
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| Lyle Bradford wrote: |
| I have tried everything but it will not load in Win 98. It says it is in BIAB midi options but in systems under control panel and game controlers etc the driver will never show up as loaded no matter how I do it. When i try and load it from add programs it says driver cannot be found on cd. I have used the driver that came with it as long I have had it with no problems. I also had a friend's copy and he knows it is good and I still get the same message. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Lyle. |
Here's my take: Your comment that "you've always used it" tells me that it once was installed and functional, but it's not now - you didn't explain that part. What I think might be going on is, for whatever reason, the driver is either corrupt, or was only partially uninstalled, and what's left on your HD is enough for BIAB to pick it up, and also for Windows to think it's still there, hence the refusal to install.
This is a case for a legitimate, effective registry cleaning utility. I recommend jv16 Power Tools 2006.
In your situation, I might try several of things. First, I'd delete any "Program Files" folders/files the JV1010 install program put there. Then, I'd search Windows/System32 for files, especially .dll files, that are Roland files - file properties should have that info, and delete them. Lastly, I'd search the registry for things like JV1010 and Roland and delete them. BE CAREFUL with this - you can break your computer if you don't know what you're doing. Back up the registry before proceeding, and ignore this step entirely if you aren't comfortable doing it. Even with a registry backup, you must still be able to boot into the OS to restore a registry backup, and it's possible to make registry changes which will disable the system.
But, in my experience, registry entry(s) left from a failed uninstall is often the reason for this kind of problem.
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 9:37 am
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| Even tho I have reformatted the drive I still need to do this? Thanks for your help. |
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Dave Potter
From:
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 9:41 am
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| Even tho I have reformatted the drive I still need to do this? Thanks for your help. |
No, gosh, no. 
I was hoping to get it fixed before going that route. If you've already reformatted, it ought to install OK. |
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 9:55 am
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| I have reformatted the hard drive and it still will not load the driver into the games and controller place where it needs to be. BIAB has it in the driver section but it is like it BIAB will use it but windows does not see it. I have used 2 different cd's one which I know is fine. But Win will not see it. |
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Jon Moen
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 9:59 am driver or utility?
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| Are you talking about an actual driver, or a utility/patch editor that won't load? |
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 10:12 am
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My previous advice was related to system-generic issues with drivers. I'm not all that familiar with midi modules, and Win98 is only a dim memory, so I guess I don't have any more good ideas.
Time to upgrade that OS, man.  It's several generations old, and the later ones provide a lot of peripheral interface improvements, especially XP. And, Vista's just around the corner. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 11:29 am
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Lyle;
Is your installation OS Windows 98 1st ed or S.E? That might make a difference if the drivers were specifically written for S.E.
I would also recommend that you not place that computer on the Internet unless it is protected by a firewall appliance. Most software security programs no longer support older OS's like Windows 98. If you have acquired a virus or other malware they might interfere with the normal operation of the computer, including your audio systems.
If the software worked on this particular computer, with the existing hardware and OS, and you cannot get it to work properly when reinstalling from the original setup CD, there may be problems with the CD media, or the CD player. The soundcard may be failing, or the RAM may be going bad, the hard drive may have bad sectors, or it may need defragging.
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 31 Dec 2006 11:50 am
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Dave I have to use 98 because XP will not run a JV1010.
Wiz it is SE. I am thinking of putting 95 on it and trying to load it up then using 98SE update cd I have. I am just about out of options. I have a sound card in it out of a friends computer that I know to be good. The mother board has on board sound and that may be the big problem. I have disabled it in device manager but maybe it still is blocking the SB card that has a serial port on it. |
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 7:24 am
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| Ok I have put 95 on the computer and it still will not load the drivers off of either cd. Something has to be wrong in the computer I guess. I may try another HD and see if it will load. |
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Jon Moen
From:
Canada
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 12:16 pm
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I recall a problem I had with a midi device in win95. I had to disable the existing MPU-401, if I recall correctly. You may have to disable some existing midi driver in order to install your JV-1010 driver.
Another thing to try is installing your driver in Safe mode? (though I'm not sure if that is possible). |
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Ken Lang
From:
Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 5:56 pm
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Lyle. Another thought, you must have the JV-1010's computer switch set correctly. It's on the back of the unit.
It says to select MIDI if you are connecting to the computer MIDI interface using MIDI cables.
Select PC-2 if you are connecting via a serial port.
I've forgotten which you are using, but the page I have seems to indicate the selection must be made before downloading the software.
Also, www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?dsection=d_downloads&ObjectId=269
has some JV-1010 support documents if you need them. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 6:36 pm
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| Lyle Bradford wrote: |
Dave I have to use 98 because XP will not run a JV1010.
Wiz it is SE. The mother board has on board sound and that may be the big problem. I have disabled it in device manager but maybe it still is blocking the SB card that has a serial port on it. |
Lyle;
Me thinks that might could be the source of the problem. You disabled the onboard card in Windows, but not in the BIOS. The BIOS thinks it should be activated and is assigning it IRQs and addresses that are required by the SoundBlaster card. Restart the computer, tapping the Delete, or F1, or F2 key until you see "Entering Setup." In the BIOS tabs look for Onboard Devices, or FSB, or whatever, until you locate the option to disable the onboard AC97 or whatever it is called in the BIOS. Disable, save, exit and reboot.
Let me know if this helps.
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 11 Jan 2007 7:22 pm
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| Wiz I did as you said. I disabled the AC97 sound and it still does the same thing. It shows up in BIAB and in the Midi devices but won't show up in device manager under games video etc where it shows the drivers for the sound. I have also tried using another JV1010 with the same results so I know its not the box. I honestly don't know of anything else to do. If you think of anything let me know. Thanks for all your help. Is there anyway to make a JV1010 compatible with XP? |
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Dave Potter
From:
Texas
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 6:26 am
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| Lyle Bradford wrote: |
| Is there anyway to make a JV1010 compatible with XP? |
Yes, if you want to write your own driver. According to the Roland website, they chose not to provide drivers for any version of Windows beyond ME.
But before you seriously consider XP, I highly recommend you check the XP hardware compatibility list to confirm the rest of your hardware will work. XP was an eye-opener for a lot of users, since it will not work with a lot of legacy hardware.
However, at the end of the day, and as hard as it may be to accept, it just might be time to bite the bullet and retire the JV1010 and move on. It's no longer supported by Roland, and the Windows operating systems that can run it are not supported by Microsoft - not a pretty picture. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 8:04 am
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| What does the driver software do, and why do you need it? |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 9:30 am
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| What does the driver software do, and why do you need it? |
Driver software provides a code interface between hardware devices, the Operating System and the central processing unit, in a language the processor can understand. Between the CPU and the device stands the Operating System, as a middleman. The drivers must speak to the OS in a code language that it understands, then the OS passes the instructions off to the CPU, for execution.
Older hardware, circa Windows 9x, was designed around the ancient MS-DOS operating system, where hardware could interact directly with the CPU. With the advent of Windows XP that interaction was removed. Old hardware used "Real Mode" drivers to connect to "interrupts" and "DMA's" on the way to the CPU. New hardware cannot do that. Everything must go through the middleman, the OS, to be cleared and translated. Manufacturers of old audio hardware have moved on to produce new devices that do interact with the OS, instead of trying to control the CPU directly. To write drivers for old real mode hardware is foolish and probably not possible in many cases. The old hardware does not have the right chips and functionality to communicate with the Windows XP or Vista OS, thus will not work in them.
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Dave Potter
From:
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 9:46 am
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| Old hardware used "Real Mode" drivers to connect to interrupts and DMA's on the way to the CPU. |
Ahhh, how fondly I remember those long hours, way back in the 20th century, juggling those interrupts trying to clear the conflicts and get all that old stuff to work....  |
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 11:34 am
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| I remember someone telling me I could get an Edirol UA-1EX and it would work with any operating system because it(the JV 1010) works of off the interface. I may be wrong maybe someone can inform me of something else. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2007 2:57 pm
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Wiz, can you be more specific about why the JV-1010 cannot be controlled like any other Roland MIDI product? According to sources such as this:
http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/rolsysx.htm
the JV-1010 uses standard MIDI implementation, and typical Roland sysex parameter editing, bulk dumps, etc. What would you need a driver for? |
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 6:05 am
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| I was told on another forum that the interface drivers is all one needs to make any unit play that is using the interface. The signal is sent to the interface and then to the unit. I guess I will try this way and see what happens. |
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Lyle Bradford
From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 10:09 am
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| Ok here is where I am at now. I have it playing thru the USB with an Edirol UM1 midi cable but it does not play all of the instruments. Is there a better cable that I could buy to make this thing work better in the USB midi hookup? |
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Jon Moen
From:
Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 10:30 am
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That cable will do all you need.
Perhaps you have some of the channels turned off or you need to change the mode (look for information on omni and poly modes). |
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 11:44 am
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I have the JV-1010 unit as well. It worked under win 98 but I no longer have the computer. I now have XP home and like Lyle I can't get the JV-1010 to work.
Lyle, is this the cable you are using?
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 12:01 pm Heads Up about Vista and recording hardware and playback
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I don't use any of this equipment, but I have been reading some reports about the limitations built into Windows Vista, and it seems to me, from what I read, that Vista will be even less friendly to add on hi quality audio and video cards and devices. It not only requires new drivers to work at all, but unless those drivers are specifically written to comply with licensing terms of the major studios, the quality of playback will be severly reduced. This is being done because MS has entered into agreements with the major audio and video companies to reduce piracy or theft of premium content. If Vista detects an audio or video stream that it considers to be "premium quality," and if no certificate with the right to play that material is present, the OS will reduce the quality of audio and video to 1950's standards.
This is new information that is still to be fully tested and evaluated, once the various versions of Vista are released to the public, on January 30, this year. If I learn more specific details about what devices are going to be monitored for "premium content" and which are not, I will let you all know the details. From what I have read this could have a major impact on hi fidelity home or studio recording projects, where you may have to purchase licenses to produce and playback such material, or the hardware you use may require such payments, driving up the cost of said hardware. Non-compliant hardware may be disabled entirely, to prevent what the OS believes to be content theft.
More to come...
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