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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 11:07 pm |
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if you could only give a beginer just 2 sheets of paper to get them started what would you give them ??
i think i would hand them
1 a sheet with the chords and inversions on it and
2 a chord progression chart
what would you do ??
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 5:01 am
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Calvin, not a bad idea..
I would do it a bit differently for a beginner.
two sheets ?
ok
sheet one ( if they don't know this already )
The Steel Guitar tuning and it's relationship to the basic 8 note scale(s), and an exercise requiring the student to count and identify the notation as well as the numerical value of the different notes in the scale. ( no Instrument required for sheet one )
sheet two ( maybe sheet one if the above is already understood)
describe the basic E9th string grips and layout a practice routine for each of the common string grips , including the 0 fret without the bar working it's way up to the 12th fret and back down to the zero fret. Then add the A pedal to the complete excercise, then the AB pedals to the complete excercise . The student MUST say the name of each fret/chord position as he approaches it and plays across it.
sheet three ( or maybe sheet two)
A very simple 3 chord country song that the student already knows well. Laying out the chord chart and redundent fret positions for the chord progression. It's important to start playing a song early on...any song. This one has to be so simple that the student recognizes the chord structure and the application to the Instrument very quickly. In my opinion, this is where the E9th Pedal Steel Guitar magic is born.
just my take..
happy new year
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 8:17 am
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Page (1)
How to tune the PSG Steel in E 9'th.
Page (2) The Chord of, E , at Fret , 0,
using the two ,Home Pedals and one knee lever,
(Don't use the Bar,) until you learn, ( By Ear )
a simple tune, with no Minor keys , at Fret ,0,
Any simple tune can be played there without ever using the Bar,
would probably be a page (3) for the Minors.and 7'ths.
This simple tune can be repeated at any fret, with the Bar in place, without ever moving the Bar.
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 11:30 am
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If I was in the same room as the beginner when he was playing, I would scrunch the sheets of paper up and insert them in my ears
Just kidding  |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 11:33 am
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Bill Moore
From:
Manchester, Michigan
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 1:04 pm
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what about instead of 2 sheets make it 3
that way you could give him/her a simple tabed song say in G or whatever and ask them to learn to play it using the inversions and then have them change to a differant key
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 1:42 pm
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I would prefer to have them PLAY along with a tune rather than use a TAB format. No need tp play any complex melody or phrases, simple back up chords should suffice for the early players. The exercise is to understand and execute relative chord positions.
and....
I wouldn't mind getting two $1000 scrunched up bills though... |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 1:59 pm
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| I think i would tell them to forget it because the world has enough people pulling their hair out already . Tell them to take up the harmonica it's eaisier to carry and no need for strings . Hah Hah . G.P. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 4:59 pm
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One sheet for E9
Key of G
basic triad string grips:
10,8,6
8,6,5
6,5,4
5,4,3
Harmionized scale using strings 3 and 5, A and B pedals only
Next to the steps up the harimonized scale I note what chord is formed at that point.
Such as:
fret 3 no pedals in all basic grips= G
fret 3 a/b pedals in all basic grips=C
fret 5 a/b pedals in all basic grips= D
fret 7 no pedals in all basic grips=C
and on up the neck
Then make a note that harmonized scales on strings
3 and 5
5 and 6
10 and 6
with a/b pedals are basicly the same.
Then I tab a short melody using strings 3 and 5. For guys that know it the solo from "Together Again" is a good one. Or I tab out a nursery rhyme just to show them that there is music hiding in those scales and chord grips.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 6:03 pm
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say the tab was a simple 2 string harmoney such as "release me " the first note shown would be 10th fret strings 4 & 5 with A pedal and so forth by asking them to play it using the other inversions ..ie ..6th fret using A pedel & F lever it would force them to think outside the tab but they could still use the tab as a guide ..would this be a workable format???
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Bill Duve
From:
Limestone .New York, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 7:25 pm
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Chords almost any beginner should know already but the progressions in following some vocalists (mostly female)
would be venturing into uncharted territory... |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 9:57 pm
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| For a beginner? how about a metronome and a tu-12 tuner,THEN the the two sheets of paper.If he's not playing in meter and in tune,he can't make music,just noise. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 10:50 pm
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my point to all this; would or could a beginer get off to a better start by using fewer instructions than what most of us are using today ?
i just seems to me that i really didn't start to "GET IT" until i got rid the clutter and got a better understanding of where and how to find the note's/chords and how they related to each other
this and a couple of other things seemed to be the turning point's
i still have a long way to go . but to me at least this was where it all started to make sense
just my 2 cents and hoping it might help save some one a little time in the learning process
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Lem Smith
From:
Long Beach, MS
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 1:07 am
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| if you could only give a beginer just 2 sheets of paper to get them started what would you give them ?? |
The chords and all the inversions, as you mentioned. Then on the second sheet of paper it would have the URL of the steel guitar forum. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 3 Jan 2007 2:34 am
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Calvin, there is no RIGHT or WRONG...
If you have found a method to advance which works for you then that is the method/format you should follow.
I believe what many are stating here has a very common thread, start at page 1, start slow, learn page one before going to page two..
A beginning student should learn basics and fundementals first, as that is the reference point for advancing. Drummers call these Rudiments.
In the early 80's, after playing Guitar for maybe 15 years or so I decided to take "Guitar" lessons from New York Jazz Guitar Guru Link Chamberlain, the first three lessons were conversation, no Guitar playing. I found this very odd at the time, but today as I reflect, I find it PROFOUND.
It was like going to a Guitar Shrink, my entire approach to playing and "thinking" Music changed.
It's a pretty simple concept, I started thinking about the MUSIC ahead of the INSTRUMENT.
I brought the Emmons Black album over to his house once and he listened for a few minutes. His comment was not about Buddy's playing but rather about his approach which allowed him to play from deep within, which only the best of Musicians do.
How about that , a Guitar shrink !
Link Chamberlain, RIP, He died of Lukemia I believe 1985 or so...
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