Ebay Fraud

Gary Dunn · Post by **Gary Dunn** » 26 Mar 2005 9:34 am

Gang,

I thought I sold my Tubefex on eBay till I received this email.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hi G Dunn,
Thanks for the mail,I am indeed happy be the lucky
winner of the bid and also hear from you.I wish to let
you know also that the price of $300.00 is okay by me
as for the payment and shipping you have nothing to
worry about.I have spoken to my shipping agent who
will be comming for the pickup in your end.My boss of
mine in the US who is owing me some funds about $3,900
so I will instruct him to issue cashier check in your
name and after you must have recieve and cash it you
deduct the cost of Peavey Tubefex guitar processor
plus additional $50 as compensation which you may
spend on transport, You then get the remaining balance
sent to my shipper via westernunion money transfer.
If this is okay by you I want you to kindly get
back to me asap with your full name,contact address
and phone number both home and mobile so that we can
proceed on the payment and shipping.
Your understanding will be highly appreciated and
i await you response A.S.A.P.
Regards,
Ray.......

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

His ebay ID is ray_wilson001.

His email ID is ray_wilson001@yahoo.ca

I have forward this to eBay.[This message was edited by Gary Dunn on 26 March 2005 at 09:44 AM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 26 Mar 2005 10:42 am

Geez. I didn't realize that these guys actually bid on Ebay items. What a drag.

Ken Fox · Post by **Ken Fox** » 26 Mar 2005 12:04 pm

PayPal only! I never leave payment options open anymore. I will not even take a postal money order on an Ebay transaction! That is the only way I sell on Ebay. If they do not meet your terms, them cancel their bid and get them removed from Ebay!

David Higginbotham · Post by **David Higginbotham** » 26 Mar 2005 12:44 pm

Please be sure to leave the feedback in reference to this "alleged buyer" so others can see what took place. I wasn't aware either that they had started bidding on items.
Dave

Herman Visser · Post by **Herman Visser** » 26 Mar 2005 1:26 pm

Sometime Back I was biding on a Marlen Steel out of Austin . Lost the bid.No big deal( not happy but thats the way it goes)
The point here is this 1hr. after bidding closed I get a Email from fastseller12@aol.com stateing that high bidder back out send me 1300 and its yours. The next one daufoc@aol.com same thing.A little later I get another one stevengooder aol.com same thing.The next one I get is from Ebay stateing that one of the above is a Fraud(really!!!!)Seller gets a hold of me 3days later and said he has no idea what Im talking about, Steel went to high bidder and was shipped out(jube9161).Fraud???? could be. Still looking .

Willis Vanderberg · Post by **Willis Vanderberg** » 26 Mar 2005 2:23 pm

That really doesn't surprise me.
I sold a guitar on ebay and specified cashiers check or US postal money order. The high bidder e-mails me and wants me to sent it c.o.d. I refused and he put a negative post on me saying I lost a sale because I wouldn't give on the c.o.d issue. I posted there was no cod issue.Hs said it was too much of a hassle to get a money order or bank draft.Go figure...
This was the only problem I ever encountered with a buyer or a seller.

J Hill · Post by **J Hill** » 27 Mar 2005 7:26 am

I sold a PRS guitar on ebay and had GREAT problems getting the buyer(s) to understand that I meant what I said, US Postal Money Order or Money Wire Transfer ONLY...which would make the transaction totally safe for me. The first buyer backed out because I wouldn't take Paypal for his payment (safe for him, not for me). The second buyer finally conceeded to a wire transfer. By the time this sale was all over I felt truly put through the ringer!

On high priced items I would never accept a Paypal payment. The first buyer was from Australia, and could have kept the guitar and done a PP chargeback. No way was I going to take that risk.

I have still not found a way that BOTH the buyer and seller can be safe. One of them must conceed to a risk. If only ONE of them can be totally safe, the Seller can rightfully have that privilege as he/she sets the terms of payment in the auction, and the buyer will comply or not.

(An escrow service is not safe either.)

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 27 Mar 2005 10:44 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=324&item=5568105292&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
Try this one for size.This steel is NOT located in Great Britain.
Here is what somebody we all know wrote about it.

Bidders beware.........The sellers adress is invalid... The photo shows a Franklin steel guitar placed beside a wall power outlet, check out the outlet,its a North American power outlet, not a UK one. We use a 13amp wall plug. Seller wants paid with Western Union, Ebay uses PayPal.............Be careful guys

Makes you wonder who is right.

Ron

Hook Moore · Post by **Hook Moore** » 27 Mar 2005 11:08 am

Ronald I was suspicious from the get go on that one. Why would anyone post those pictures facing the wall

Hook

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CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 27 Mar 2005 12:12 pm

as to study the phenomena, i wrote the seller askin' for some pics & i got them !
i'm waitin' on the SR now....

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 27 March 2005 at 01:05 PM.]

Gary Dunn · Post by **Gary Dunn** » 27 Mar 2005 3:24 pm

Well, it would have been a nice sell the thing so I could get a new set of speakers and cabinets. Oh well, another day I guess, but not today.

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 28 Mar 2005 3:21 am

Crowbear.

I am curious what those pictures look like.Possible that you send me some?I would like to see for myself what they look like.

Ron

Mike Pace · Post by **Mike Pace** » 28 Mar 2005 4:48 am

Ive gotten at least one bidder like this with every auction Ive done on Ebay... Im not going to ship an item to your "relatives living state-side" while you issue me a check from Algeria, Nigeria, Spain, etc etc.... The item goes to the same address the check was sent from (especially w/ PayPal), and if it isnt in the lower 48~ sorry, no dice!!!

So far the only thing that has worked for me is to have negative / non feedback bidders blocked from the auction if they dont e-mail me prior to bidding. If they e-mail me, I can get a good idea from either their grammar or the e-mail headers whether they are legit or not. Once someone starts with the "compensation & shipping agent" runaround they're all through.

I'd really like to meet these "shipping agents"~ are they just regular couriers or part of the syndicate?!?

Don Discher · Post by **Don Discher** » 28 Mar 2005 7:03 am

Herman
I think you and I were bidding on the same Marlen "cause I received the same e-mails stating the winning bidder had problem with funds and I could have it for my original bid.I managed to contact the seller and he stated he had already received the funds and the guitar had been shipped.I contacted e-bay and I never heard from the creep again.

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 28 Mar 2005 8:50 am

What the heck is a Paypal chargeback? No wonder I'm afraid of all of this....

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 28 Mar 2005 11:01 am

Just received notice that the steel guitar in question has been removed by e-bay.It was indeed a scam.

Ron

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 28 Mar 2005 12:55 pm

i'll send you the pics Ron
never got the SR....

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 28 Mar 2005 1:13 pm

Got them Crowbear.Dude must be scared to show the front huh?
Why did he offer it to you by moneygram?Moneygram is insured you know?If you don't get delivered then he loses his money or at least the insurance company does lose on this one.Either way....you can't lose.

Ron

Toby Rider · Post by **Toby Rider** » 28 Mar 2005 10:42 pm

I pretty much only accept paypal nowadays because of the deadbeats & crooks on there.