No Peddlers Tab Category

Mitch Druckman · From: Arizona, USA

I don't know about you, but I rarely look in the Tablature section of the Forum. In fact, most of the time I have to be directed by a link in No Peddlers, as was the case with Twilight Blues. The tab section is so filled with pedal steel tabs that it's almost impossible to sort through it all. It is my opinion that non-pedal tabs do not belong lumped in with steel guitar.

My suggestion to the Forum admin or moderators would be to setup separate categories of Pedal Steel Tablature and No Peddlers Tablature to find these gems more directly.

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

I have a further suggestion: why not break it down by tunings. For instance:

Tabulature: E9th tuning, 10 string
Tabulature: E9th tuning, 12 sting extended
Tabulature: E9th tuning, 12 universal
Tabulature: E9th tuning, 14 string universal
Tabulature: C6th tuning, D 1st string
Tabluature: C6th tuning, G 1st string
Tabulature: A, high bass, tuning
Tabulature: A, low bass, tuning
Tabulature: E7th tuning
Tabulature: Bb tuning
etc.
etc.
On second thought, maybe we should leave it just like it is.

Erv

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 30 December 2005 at 08:00 AM.]

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 30 December 2005 at 08:29 AM.]

Richard Sevigny · From: Salmon Arm, BC, Canada

As a beginner "no peddlar" I like the idea. This gets my vote.

Hey b0b/Brad... would this be a major headache to set up?

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Jesse Pearson · From: San Diego , CA

You can search tab by way of a persons name if you look at the bottom of the search page in the tab section. The non pedal section must have a different search engin than the tab section because alot of things I've posted don't come up under my name in non pedal? Andy Volk has alot of interesting tab and we've had some good talks printing tab to demonstrate our points, I love it when we do that. I just searched my name in the tab section and came up with Tab for "Steel Guitar Rag" (Leon McAuliff) "I got Rhythm" (for cutting contests) "Cool Blues" (Charlie Parker)"Twilight Blues" (Dick McIntire) and some scales and theory stuff on the Hawaiian Vamp. I forgot I had posted some of the stuff I posted, lol! I search guys names all the time and just read their posts, I learn alot of cool things this way. I think maybe the search engins record stuff on their own, so sometimes the right words don't always come up in a search, you just have to be creative? But I would think that searching just by tunings and peoples names should come up right to make it easy to find stuff. I have learned a ton of stuff off the forum and I'm very thankful to everyones efforts.

[This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 30 December 2005 at 09:51 AM.]

Jeff Strouse · From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

I've always thought Non Peddlers should have a category of it's own for everything...general discussion, buy and sell, extended family, and tabulature. A lot of us non-pedal players never leave the No-Peddlers section, and when we do, the posts all deal with pedal steel, which we know nothing about. A post related to lap steel would be lost.

Perhaps when someone clicks on "No Peddlers" from the main page, it could bring up a sub category page of folders to click on, labeled: General Discussion, Tabulature, etc.

Or, since it can be tedious to create a bunch of sub-categories, just allow any post related to non-pedal steel to be included in the No Peddlers category...for example, a non-pedal tab, regardless of tuning, would be listed here instead of in tabulature. Posts related to Hawaiian music would be welcome here. If, someone (no-peddler) is ill, has passed on, or has an event or announcement, it would be listed here. There would be non need for any sub-categories to be created, just lump it all here.

Once in blue moon, I surf other sections. But, unless someone posts something here to point me to a non-pedal post in another section, I'd miss it.

Brad Bechtel · From: San Francisco, CA

I encourage you all to check out the daily postings via the easy link on the main page. Click on the link where it says "Click Here To View Today's Active Topics (all public forums)" and you'll get a listing of whatever anybody has to say anywhere in the forums. I find it interesting to see what others say on the other areas.

One of the reasons this area is pleasant for me to visit is because we tend to stay on topic. There are perfectly valid areas for tablature, instruments for sale, etc. already existing in the SGF; why re-invent the wheel?

There are many readers who don't want tablature or to see instruments for sale. Those people can stay out of the areas in question.

Please, continue to give feedback in the Feedback section where all the moderators will see it.

Happy New Year to all!

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[This message was edited by Brad Bechtel on 30 December 2005 at 10:08 AM.]

Mitch Druckman · From: Arizona, USA

First let me express my appreciation for all of the hard work required to keep this forum running. This is a fantastic resource and I am thankful to be able to participate. With all due respect, looking in the day's postings or searching under individual's names does not help much in locating non-pedal tablatures. It can be tedious and time consuming if you have no interest in pedal steel. If adding a new section for non-pedal tab is too much trouble then I accept that, but suggesting that it would not be helpful is wrong. When looking in the For Sale sections, non-pedal items are quickly obvious, but not so obvious in the tablature section where you must read through each post before discovering if it is written for pedal or non-pedal steel.

Jesse Pearson · From: San Diego , CA

Mitch, you have a valid point. But the reality is not many people post non pedal tab in contrast to the pedal guys. Its up to us non pedal players to make a library of tab to jusify something new I would think in all fairness? I try and include the word "Tab" now in the subject matter of the tab section, that seems to bring it up even if it isn't under my name? So, start tabbing you lazy bums, lol.

Larry W. Jones · From: Longmont, Colorado

Yes, yes, yes. A non-pedal tab section would be a great help.

Don Kona Woods · From: Hawaiian Kama'aina

Dan Peterson · From: Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.

I vote with 'Kona Don'! A no-peddler TAB section would be awesome and much appreciated! Dan

Jesse Pearson · From: San Diego , CA

Ya'll should have a look over at the Tab section and see how Ricky Davis just posted some non - pedal Tab. It's all in the Topic! Gee's, I even forgot to put non - pedal in my topic heading again.

Mitch Druckman · From: Arizona, USA

If every non pedal tab starts with the words non pedal, there is still enough room in the topic line for the song title or other info. It makes it obvious that it is a non pedal tab, and a search on the words non pedal will also list all non pedal topics with the words non pedal in them.

I forgot to mention the obvious, and that is that this will only work if everyone posting tabs does it. I would still prefer a separate non pedal tab category, but if it's not possible then this is a reasonable alternative.

[This message was edited by Mitch Druckman on 31 December 2005 at 10:13 AM.]

Stanford Lane · From: Oklahoma, USA

I agree with Mitch. If we start each thread with LSG (Lap Steel Guitar) then I think that the issue has an easy practical solution.

[This message was edited by Stanford Lane on 01 January 2006 at 06:42 AM.]

Jesse Pearson · From: San Diego , CA

What about non - pedal = NP

Craig Stenseth · From: Naperville, Illinois, USA

It would also be nice to be able to somehow specify the tuning and number of strings, in addition to whether it's pedal vs. non-pedal.

Mitch Druckman · From: Arizona, USA

I can already see the difficulty in trying to standardize a special way to identify no peddlers in the regular Tab section. Everyone wants to identify their posts in a slightly different way. NP, LSG, non pedal, tunings, strings... and searching will remain difficult.

If nothing else I think this post is showing that putting non-pedal tabs in their own category would be a welcome addition and a way to simplify Forum use. It might not be as active as a combined tab section, but every post would be potentially relevant or interesting to non peddlers. I believe that most non-peddlers would check it regularly. It would stimulate more non-pedal tab postings as well as building an organized database of all posted non-pedal tabs.

John Bushouse · Posted 1 Jan 2006 9:28 am

I vote for a separate no-peddlers TAB as well - it would be easier to sort through and find TAB that interests me.

Craig Prior · From: National City, California, USA

I added Sweet Corn and Honolulu Nights to the Tab section; both are indicated "Non-pedal."

Then I realized that I'm adding 6-string tab, more appropriate to a Dobro, instead of the 8- or 10-string instruments favored by this forum. I hate to think that a header like "NP C6 6S" meaning "non-pedal, tuned to C6, 6 string instrument" would become necessary.

It seems to me that if we aren't concerned about the number of strings, then "NP C6" works. Short, sweet, to the point.

Craig.

Roy Thomson · From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada

I like the PowerTab Editor software also.
However, I don't think it goes beyond 6 strings?
Please correct me if I am wrong here?

Craig Prior · From: National City, California, USA

You know, Roy, I think you're right about that. If yer gonna use PowerTab, 6 strings is all she wrote!

Keith Cordell · From: San Diego

I don't go there anymore now either, too hard to find anything. But if there were a section for it, I would be all over it; to quote Field of Dreams, "If you build it, they will come!"

Stanford Lane · From: Oklahoma, USA

I still think that starting of a new topic with the designation NP or NP C6 would work best, until we can determine how much tab will be posted. Information like the tuning and the number of strings can be placed at the top of the tab itself.

John Bushouse · Posted 1 Jan 2006 3:48 pm

There's still the issue of wading through 20 pedal steel posts to every steel post; some people won't use the NP notation, etc.

Even if there's only 10 posts to start with, I think a no peddlers TAB section is a good idea.

John McGann · From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.

A subcategory of tab for nonpedal (without subdividing into what tuning, how many strings, etc.) seems very manageable...

TAB: PEDAL STEEL
TAB: NON PEDAL

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