Identify the Steeler - Bud's Bounce

Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 2 Nov 2006 6:57 am

Here's a clip from a mid 1950's radio show. Can anyone identify this steeler for me? Whoever he is, he sure nailed this tune.

Bud's Bounce

I'm editing this post today (Nov. 6th) to add this excerpt from the same radio program. There have been more opinions that lean toward Bobby Garrett than anyone. Maybe this clip will help lock it down.

White Silver Sands[This message was edited by Mike Headrick on 06 November 2006 at 09:53 AM.]

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 2 Nov 2006 7:33 am

I don't know who it was,but it was great...was that Wills that kept going'AAAhhh"in the background?That steel player had really good technique...thanks for letting us hear that,Mike!

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Stephen Gregory · Post by **Stephen Gregory** » 2 Nov 2006 7:44 am

Sounds like Bobby Garrett, maybe?

Herbie Meeks · Post by **Herbie Meeks** » 2 Nov 2006 7:47 am

Sounds a lot like, Pee Wee Whitewing, with a bit of, Boot Heel Drag, tossed in
Pee Wee was the Steel player at,
The Old ,Tracy Gardens, dance hall,
San Jose, CA, about this time. 1949,& 1950.

Herbie

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Bob Hickish · Post by **Bob Hickish** » 2 Nov 2006 9:19 am

Mike

I couldn't say for sure ! But it
has some essence & pedal stile of
a young Tom Brumley

Hick

Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 2 Nov 2006 12:23 pm

When I get a chance I'll convert another track or two if that would help to figure this out. I have some more material from the same radio show with the steel player backing up a singer. Anybody this good must have been a well known player.

Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 2 Nov 2006 1:33 pm

I'm almost certain it's not Tom Brumley. Possibly Bobby Garrett playing this cut of Bud's Bounce. I bet Reece Anderson could shed some light on it.

Terry Wood

Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 2 Nov 2006 1:36 pm

I need to clarify my posting, I didn't want anyone to think that I was knocking Tom's playing. I think Tom Brumley had probably the best cut ever of this song while he was with Buck Owens. Next, I always liked Jimmy Day's version of the song too.

Terry Wood

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 2 Nov 2006 3:35 pm

Terry....Sorry, I don't know who that is playing, but it sounds like something Bobby Garrett would have played.

Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 3 Nov 2006 3:26 am

I'm trying to find out where the radio station was located. That might provide a clue. In the meantime, your thoughts are welcome.

Bob Hickish · Post by **Bob Hickish** » 3 Nov 2006 6:22 am

Mike
If that's not Tom ! this guy sure has
tom's left foot & right hand OR vice versa

Back in the 70's I spent months working
on that tune - Brumley - stile and was unable
to get to right . I might as well have been trying
to teach a brick to play that tune - in that stile !!
Winny Winston was my only salvation .

BRICK

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 3 Nov 2006 6:48 am

Wow, great cut, Mike thanks for sharing!

Drew

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Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 3 Nov 2006 6:52 am

The radio show was the Cal Worthington show and it was at KXLA in Pasadena. The timeframe was between 1956 and 1958. Hey! That should narrow it down to at least 500 possibilities. Ha!

Bob Hickish, I think you're right about the Brumley touch. There are some similarities, but the time it was recorded makes it a little early for Tom. Maybe this guy was an early influence for him.

Bob Hickish · Post by **Bob Hickish** » 3 Nov 2006 7:35 am

Mike
I remember seeing Tom on the
cousin Herb Henson show out of
Bakersfiels in those days , he was
hot in the 50's ! & he was playing a Bigsby .
May have been pre Buckaroo
days .
The Cal Worthington show was out of
Hunington Park on Long beach Blvd. & he
had all the top country pickers on his shows .
It would not have been out of reach for Tom to have
been there !
If that's not Tom ! I'll buy the beer Mike !!

Maybe Tom will clear this up for us . I'm sure
after 50 years he could rember what time of day
and who all was there !

Brick

Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 3 Nov 2006 7:48 am

Wow, Bob! You're a walking history book. Thanks for that input. Maybe Tom WILL clear it up for us. Tell you what, if it turns out to be Tom, I'll treat you to a 12 ounce "saspharilly".

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 3 Nov 2006 8:01 am

In the fifties I don't think it would have been Tom Brumley as he was still in Missouri then. According to his bio on the old Steel Guitar Record Club LP he came to California and went right to work for Buck Owens which would've been in the very early sixties. Southern California steel players around that time frame would've been players like, Blackie Taylor, Rex Endicott, Ralph Mooney, Billy Tonneson, Red Rhodes, Billy Mize, and others. The Worthington Dodge show usually used a band from one of the local clubs in the area for a house band. Gene Davis' band might have been on the show. He used Ralph for a while and then later Red Rhodes so it could've been either one of them.....JH in Va.

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Fred Jack · Post by **Fred Jack** » 3 Nov 2006 8:57 am

Bob, Make mine a bud.
Jerry, Tom B. was in So Cal a couple of years before he went to work with Buck. He went back to Missouri and got the call from Buck and the rest is history.

Phillip Lee Thompson · Post by **Phillip Lee Thompson** » 3 Nov 2006 9:57 am

Hey Gang,
I believe it could have been Herb Remington
out of Houston Texas.
Herb always told me about Speedy West helping him (Herb) land some gigs in Herbs early picking days. I believe that both Herb and Speedy did play with Bob Wills in the early days,as did Jerry Byrd.
Phillip. [This message was edited by Phillip Lee Thompson on 03 November 2006 at 12:15 PM.]

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 3 Nov 2006 12:25 pm

I hate to potentially reveal my ignorance, but here goes: If this was broadcast in the early or mid Fifties, could it possibly be Bud Isaacs himself? I've never heard (though I've always wanted to) his original recording of Bud's Bounce, in fact I've heard almost nothing of his playing, so I have no idea if this sounds at all like his style, but after all, the tune is his, and I've always read that "Slowly" (Bud playing with Webb Pierce) was the groundbreaking tune that introduced pedals to the world at large, in, if I'm not mistaken, 1953. And the pedal work in this cut is relatively simple.[This message was edited by Brint Hannay on 03 November 2006 at 12:28 PM.]

Nic du Toit · Post by **Nic du Toit** » 3 Nov 2006 1:30 pm

Peter asked me to post this:

"I remember hearing a very similar sounding track on an old Starday record. I think it is the one with Peter Drake on the cover and Herb Remington plays Station Break.Starday SLP-138 - Nashville Steel Guitar - Various Artists (1961). I cant remember all the names but some of the names were Pete Drake, Jimmy Day, Al Petty, Noel Boggs, Dick Stubbs, Don Helms, Little Roy Wiggins. Could it be Dick Stubbs or Jimmy Day?"

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Ray Montee · Post by **Ray Montee** » 3 Nov 2006 7:43 pm

WHO? Played with Bob Wills?

Lee Jeffriess · Post by **Lee Jeffriess** » 3 Nov 2006 7:53 pm

I think it could be Billy Mize, he was certainly of that caliber, or maybe Marion Hall?.
Lee

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 4 Nov 2006 2:11 am

I'm with Lee on this one, possibly Billy Mize since it's from CA. It's definately not Bud Isaacs himself.

Roy McKinney · Post by **Roy McKinney** » 4 Nov 2006 4:56 am

Wayne Gailey was a pretty good steel picker from that time frame and was on the Cal Worthington shows with Rose Maddox.

Mike Headrick · Post by **Mike Headrick** » 4 Nov 2006 8:04 am

Well, though we don't have this guy nailed down yet, I'm learning a lot. It's great to get all these different insights into the scene and the particular period. I'm going back to my source to see if I can come up with something else.[This message was edited by Mike Headrick on 05 November 2006 at 04:13 AM.]