laughin at the people who sit in for a song?

Jim Cohen · From: Philadelphia, PA

Meow.

Charlie McDonald · From: out of the blue

Purrr...

I'm sure such scenes happen thousands of times a week all over the country. There are singers, guys and gals, that haven't made it, and seem to be in a hurry to be has-beens--minor grifters with a story but without the experience to make it true.

So in a way, we (I should say many of you, as I'm not out there anymore) suffer along out of necessity, and hope they're kind enough not to slander the band when it goes bad.

Laughter often comes out of embarassment.
(Maybe that happened to the steel player in the original post too many times that week.)
We don't always know who we're embarassed for, ourselves or the fellow at the mic.
But it's all part of the deal.

And it's not Upper Broadway in New York; and I'm not sure it matters, as your home town is where it always happens, and it's forgotten.

So I agree with the poster: walk a mile in the steeler's shoes. Laughter beats cussing or walking out.
(And anybody who gets up to sing impromptu should know the pitfalls. If they don't they have to learn somewhere.
Not being mean; I've worked with more amateurs than most. I remember my first open mic in hi school. Dreadful, even when I tried to make a joke. Boy, do I wish they'd laughed.)

Damir Besic · From: Nashville,TN.

well,,it was just a question,not a reason to get mad or to make a big deal out of it,I just wanted to hear what you guys think.Some approve it and some don`t..and that`s good..that is what good discussion is all about.

it doesn`t matter if you play with a hot Nashville act,lower Broadway,your hometown or in your bedroom..at the end it all boils down to what kind of person you/me are...and how other people will remember you...will they remember you as a nice and good or as something else

when I was at FedEx I tried to be nice with all of my customers and when I was on the road (almost 18 years) I tried to be nice to people I worked for..my audience... because I was in business of entertaining them and they were my customers

how someone else runs his business is non of mine...if you wanna laugh at your customers..laugh...
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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 15 June 2006 at 12:16 PM.]

Charlie McDonald · From: out of the blue

I do agree with your feeling at heart, Damir.
I think I would have been embarassed for somebody to see a musician laugh at anybody who wasn't making it at the moment.

richard burton · From: Britain

Damir,
You worry about fellow musicians laughing at wannabe singers, yet you take the piss out of me for putting a legitimate argument in a recent post.

With idiots like you pontificating on here, I'm feel that I was correct by deciding to no longer contribute to this forum.

Steve English · From: Baja, Arizona

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Damir Besic · From: Nashville,TN.

Scott Shipley · From: The Ozark Mountains

To clarify, the fact that I don't repeat any licks is not necessarily because I have a closet full of em, it's because I can't play the same thing twice.....I'm workin on it though.

Thank you Eddie and Vic for being patient with me!! I fully expect them to turn my Sho-Bud into a Sho-Pire one of these Sunday nights....

Btw, I don't want to give the impression that I'm complaining about Fan Fair week or the fans who come here for it. Not at all. Bring em on!! Was just trying to make sure that ALL of the facts were presented, in the interest of being fair, and so that opinions which obviously differ (and that's ok too), could at least be educated ones. And I apolgize for getting testy, it just seemed as if topic drift had started pointing a finger at ALL of the pickers who work down there (when they are not out of town on an artist gig, HEH-HEM), rather than the one stinker. And Damir, I apologize specifically to you. You do not owe me any apology, but it might be nice to give one to the "leftovers" as you dotted, which includes a mighty fine list of players if you ask me. You do realize that John Hughey plays down there too don't ya? Just checkin.

BTW, my 13 shift + 2 River Stages week (which nearly kilt me) at Fan Fair last year bought me a Volvo. Not new of course, and it is in the shop right now. We can't all afford to drive the kind of machines that famous steeler up in Hendersonville (near the Italian Grill) does!!

Thanks again for letting me be a part of a really fine family here.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I have to state I have met Damir,
and he is no idiot, and very nice people.

I played his steel in front of him,
with a different copedent than I am used to,
and he didn't laugh at me.

I think the name calling was uncalled for.
Among other things he never stated WHO he saw.
He purposely didn't.
He just layed out the concept and his position on it.
He's aginit.

So Richard you disagreed
and he backed up his reasoning against your reasoning,
so now he's an idiot. Right?

Not bearing in mind that english is Damir's 2nd language,
and sometimes he isn't quite as clear as he wishes.
Pretty good generally, but the old world grammer bumps in sometimes.
So what.

He was saying
BE NICE ON STAGE, EVEN TO POOR PERFORMERS,
NO MATTER HOW BAD.
BECAUSE IT REFLECTS BADLY ON YOU
AND THE BAND.

Not to mention it's just plain cruel.

If this concept makes Danmir and idiot,
I wish I had played with MORE idiots in my career

Rick Garrett · From: Tyler, Texas

"To clarify, the fact that I don't repeat any licks is not necessarily because I have a closet full of em, it's because I can't play the same thing twice....."

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Man do I know how that feels. One minute the lick is right there....the next it's no longer on the guitar anywhere.

I'm still a steel rookie but I don't think I'd laugh at anybody that's trying to have fun singing or picking. I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings and I wouldn't want folks laughing at me if I were trying to sing. Although it would be laughable.

Rick

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Let's not resort to personal attacks, please.

This topic has gone on long enough for everyone to have their say. closed.

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Bill McCloskey · From: Nanuet, NY

The notion of a "cutting" session was what advanced the art of jazz. Charlie Parker learned how to improvise in all keys after being laughed off the stage when he was playing body and soul at the age of 18.

I certainly don't know the situation in Nashville, but if someone is no good than laughing at them does one of two things:

1. Forces them to get better.
2. Makes them realize that they are not what they thought they were, saving themselves a lot of humiliation later down the road.

Show business as has been pointed out is not for the faint of heart and we shouldn't pretend it is.

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