Great C6th hits and players

Roy Ayres · Post by **Roy Ayres** » 29 Aug 2003 4:57 am

I'm surprised that none of you old timers haven't mentioned Joaquin Murphey. Although his great single-string work preceeded pedals, he was definately using C6. His tuning did not have either a high G or a D on top -- just the E note (third tone of the C scale.) Of course, Andy was probably thinking the standard C6 with pedals, as in use by most steel players today. Still, I can't let this thread pass by without mention of my friend and "hero" of days gone by.

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 29 Aug 2003 9:29 am

I was going to mention "Who's cheatin' who" by AJ with PF on steel, but I'm still not convinced it's actually C6, although it sounds alot like it.
So, I'll throw in the fairly current "Overnight Male" by George Strait with Sonny Garrish on steel.
An earlier vintage - "Cab Driver" by Hank Thompson, with Curly on steel.
-John

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 29 Aug 2003 5:15 pm

Seems like if we can't tell the difference, then E9 played in C6 style counts. With the AB pedals down you have an A6 neck. LLoyd Green and others have done C6 style licks that way. Keep the hits coming, guys, I'm learning some good stuff to look for.

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 29 Aug 2003 6:41 pm

Joey, according to the notes, PF played the first solo on E9 and JH played the second solo on C6. That was one of those rare occassions when two steel greats played on the same session. Not since Johnny Bush's session and Marcel Dadi's two albums have I known of two steel giants sharing the steel corner.

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 31 Aug 2003 9:37 am

Bill C. It would be great if the old Wilburn Brothers shows were made available for us poor middle class guys could relish in times gone by. Hal Rugg did a great tour of that show before leaving and Curly made a few new fans that didn't know he existed. I'm sure they're sitting around getting dustier and benefitting no one. I heard that Tom Bradshaw approached the holders of the Hee Haw shows to get copies of the band's instrumentals and the price was too high to make it worth while[This message was edited by Gary Walker on 31 August 2003 at 10:38 AM.]

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 31 Aug 2003 9:58 am

I think Willie Nelson bought all the older Wilburn Brothers shows. Up until a couple years ago or so, there was a Yahoo site called "Willie Nelson TV" that played them one after another constantly. They were the shows with Don Helms and later Hal Rugg, but I never saw any with Curly Chalker. It was great while it lasted.

Charlie Fullerton · Post by **Charlie Fullerton** » 4 Sep 2003 4:07 am

And then there was Dick Curless at the Truckers' convention -- Curley Chalker at his best!
Also, how about the Bb6th guys like Reece Andersen.

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 4 Sep 2003 7:20 pm

Charlie, that was a great show and Curly was at the top of his game. He never really liked studio playing but he was so great at it, but he prefered playing live because he could do "his thing".

Dale Bessant · Post by **Dale Bessant** » 5 Sep 2003 7:46 am

Did anyone say JOHN HUGHEY playing "Back home again in Indiana" although the live version he played on American Music Shop with Vince,Danny Gatton,Albert Lee was honkin' too..

...Dick Curless theres a name I haven't heard in a long time,God rest his soul....[This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 05 September 2003 at 08:54 AM.][This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 05 September 2003 at 10:29 AM.]

Gary Glisson · Post by **Gary Glisson** » 18 Apr 2006 6:34 am

does anyone have nite life tabed out for the c-6th??
would love to try it

thanks gary

Roger Shackelton · Post by **Roger Shackelton** » 18 Apr 2006 7:22 am

Nick Allen mentioned Pete Drake. Does anyone remember a C-6th tune he recorded, that was written by Hal Rugg, called "My Bluest Day"?

Roger

David Wren · Post by **David Wren** » 18 Apr 2006 12:59 pm

Not sure if it would be a "hit" but Dire Strait's "Fade To Black" has some very nice PF C6th on it.

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Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 18 Apr 2006 1:19 pm

Almost all of the slide work I do on sessions is on a C6th tuning. So if it has my name and a distorted slide sound on a hit, its C6th.

Gary,

I played both the E9th and C6th solos on Alan's song, "Married to a Waitress" and on my copy the liner notes list me as the PSG player.

Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 18 April 2006 at 02:19 PM.]

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 18 Apr 2006 11:06 pm

Paul, I stand corrected. I was fed bogus information from an expert who knew the "facts."
Your sis and I exchanged emails after the original post and she even got your dad's opinion to back her answer. Now, if I can just find out why John is listed on the credits on steel along with Paul.
By the way, Doyle Dykes says I think his CD "Country Fried Pickin'" is his best because Paul played on the project and he may have a point. Thanks.[This message was edited by Gary Walker on 19 April 2006 at 12:15 AM.][This message was edited by Gary Walker on 19 April 2006 at 10:18 AM.]

Darryl Hattenhauer · Post by **Darryl Hattenhauer** » 19 Apr 2006 9:44 am

Friends,

How about Herby?

Garry,
Living in Morro Bay, do you have a constant deluge of visitors? imho that's the best place to live in the whole universe. Sorta like Santa Barbara 50 years ago. We ought to have the steel convention there.

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"Drinking up the future, and living down the past"--unknown singer in Phoenix

Robert Bayles · Post by **Robert Bayles** » 20 Apr 2006 6:14 am

Jim,

Hope this isn't too off topic. Both DirecTV & DishNetwork air the RFD TV network that plays a lot of those old shows including The Wilburn Brothers and The Proter Wagoner Show.

http://rfdtv.com/

From the website...

Willie thinks it is very important to “keep this music alive along with the stars who created it” and that’s exactly what we’re doing along with RFD-TV’s help. We know many of you have called and expressed an interest in purchasing the shows or a series of them on VHS and DVD. We’re working hard to make that happen and expect to make it a reality real soon - so stay tuned!

Bob

Gary Glisson · Post by **Gary Glisson** » 20 Apr 2006 5:45 pm

hi does anyone have any of these great C-6th songs tab out?? and would share with me. i'am limited on my C-6th meterial just now trying to learn after playing E-9th for 20+ years also its tough i'am 52 and trying to learn and my memory is not as good as it was when i was 20
thanks gary

Jody Sanders · Post by **Jody Sanders** » 20 Apr 2006 7:43 pm

"Driving Nails In My Coffin" by Johnny Bush. The BIG E on C6 steel. Jody.

Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 21 Apr 2006 9:54 pm

Darryl, I moved to Morro Bay from Flagstaff 4 years ago. So far we haven't gotten tired of this beautiful place. I have to pinch myself to see if it's for real and so far, it is.
I miss Arizona and so many of our friends but when you live where people take their vacation, it's hard to leave and go anywhere else.
As for a steel convention here, I'd be all for that but I'm afraid I'd find out that I had more friends and family that I don't remember. Yes, we get a lot of company, in fact, our place has been called Christine's Bed & Breakfast (my wife)by our families. The local Chamber of Commerce has the slogan, "Morro Bay, where the sun goes for the winter." In fact, the weekend of May 6-7 is our annual Cruizin' Morro Bay car show and we have our two '57 Chevies entered along with almost 600 other cars. God's country, for sure.

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 22 Apr 2006 3:52 am

One of the best C6th solo's I've heard in recent years is on Brad Paisley's You Have That Effect On Me. I'm pretty sure it was Randle Currie although Mike Johnson has done some previous cuts with Brad. This particular track has it all for me - great tone, taste and feel. For those of you who haven't heard it it's well worth listening to the whole thing including the solo and ending which has a double raise on it.

Tiny Olson · Post by **Tiny Olson** » 22 Apr 2006 8:43 am

Paul:

Did you play C6 or E9 on "Something Special" by George S.?? I've played that tune almost identically on either neck and was wondering which you used on the recording. Great work on that stuff (and pretty much everything you do for that matter) man.

Regarding hits with C6 another that stands out to me is Red Steagall's, "Lone Star Beer & Bob Wills Music" of the early/mid 70s which included Sonny Garrish playing C6. I don't think I've ever heard Sonny playing C6 on anything else and it was cool to see his name on the album liner credits.

Chris "Tiny" Olson

Bill Cunningham · Post by **Bill Cunningham** » 22 Apr 2006 4:44 pm

Tommy White has a smoking solo on Joe Nichol's song "Don't Ruin It For The Rest Of Us". I have this as a CD cut but heard in a fast food place this week so I guess it qualifies as a hit now!

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Gary Meyer · Post by **Gary Meyer** » 22 Apr 2006 7:50 pm

I dont think it was a hit,but Asleep at the Wheel recieved alot of airplay with "Route66"
in the late 70's. (which would be cool to have)

Chris Lasher · Post by **Chris Lasher** » 22 Apr 2006 9:50 pm

Ken, the steel on Brad Paisley's "You Have That Effect On Me" was actually played by the fabulous Mike Johnson. The talented Randle Currie played on Brad's later albums, Mud On The Tires and his newest, Time Well Wasted.

I would not consider "You Have That Effect On Me" a hit as it was never released as a single. I'm not saying it's not a fantastic tune, just being realistic. If you want an example of Randle's C6th playing, check out "Make A Mistake With Me (Instrumental)" from Mud On The Tires. Brad even helps him kick it off with the introduction, "Play it, Randle!"

He also plays some C6th on the bonus disc of the special edition version of Time Well Wasted on the song "Hard To Say Hello". Not sure why that song wasn't released on the regular edition of the Paisley album, as it's really humorous, emotional, and tastefully musical the way only a Brad Paisley song can be.[This message was edited by Chris Lasher on 22 April 2006 at 10:56 PM.]

Darryl Hattenhauer · Post by **Darryl Hattenhauer** » 22 Apr 2006 11:06 pm

Garry Walker,

Sheesh! You got Morro Bay, and you got two 57 Chevies? In high school, I had a '56 Chevy and my girl had '59 T'bird.

I had the great pleasure once of driving up Hiway one in the midst of a rally. I was behind a 32 Ford roadster with cycle fenders a lot of the way. I tried to fit in by downshifting my Volvo a lot.

We have a lot of car shows in Phoenix. I saw a '55 Bel Air on Thursday and a mid 60s Chev pickup today.

Morro Bay has about the best year-round weather in the country. And then there's poor old Gary Myers in my hometown of Sack o' tomato.