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Topic: What is a gig? |
Michael Breid
From: Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 11:37 am
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I was telling my wife about a gig I had booked, and she said, "Where did the word "gig" come from"? Come to think of it I had no idea. It's always been a "gig" to me, and I don't know where the term came from. I remember as a teenager hearing other musicians talk about a gig and thought at first they were going after frogs. Then I realized a "gig" was job. Does anyone out there know how the word "gig" came to mean a playing job? Thanks- |
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Pat Kelly
From: Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 11:50 am
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"Engagement" ? |
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Tucker Jackson
From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 12:16 pm
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My Webster's show 4 entries for "gig." But the one that pertains to "a gathering of musicians" is marked as "Slang," and the origin is listed as "?".
The Online Etymology Dictionary shows the first verified usage in 1915. But it also says the word is "of uncertain origin.".
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gig
[This message was edited by Tucker Jackson on 25 February 2006 at 12:21 PM.] |
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Stu Schulman
From: Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 12:24 pm
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I think that it came from a mispelling of Gag. |
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Eric West
From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 1:05 pm
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I've always thought it as in "Frog Hunting". Frogs being of course, slang or "Greenbacks" of course being slang for "Money".
I think, as opposed to "Jamming", "Rehearsing", "Busking", "Auditioning", or "Begging".
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Jim Cohen
From: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 3:20 pm
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"Gig" (n.) A musical job or engagement. Derived from the French, gigue, a lively dance. Musicians used to go play (for) a "gigue". However, as in present times, musicians' talent was undervalued and they were paid 'nary a sou for their contributions to society, so the only way they could eat frogs legs with the French aristocracy, was to "gig" the frogs themselves. The two words finally enmeshed leading to rampant etymological speculation amongst steel guitar players. [This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 25 February 2006 at 03:20 PM.] |
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Steve Hitsman
From: Waterloo, IL
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 3:30 pm
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Kaka del toro. |
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Jim Cohen
From: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 3:41 pm
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Michael Barone
From: Downingtown, Pennsylvania
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 4:37 pm
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In 1969, I knew a "gig" to be a uniform infraction. If you were found during inspection in ranks that your belt buckle was not aligned with your shirt buttons, for example, you were told you had a gig and were not in proper uniform. Not a good thing. It was noted. If you were inspected and had 3 or more gigs identified, you got extra duty. Any Army Vets ever heard this before?
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Al Marcus
From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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George McLellan
From: Duluth, MN USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2006 6:36 pm
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Yes Michael, I remember a number of gigs got you a demerit and a number of demerits got you in deep doo~doo. (It's been over 40 years so I don't remember the exact numbers)
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Michael Breid
From: Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2006 5:53 am
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Good people I appreciate all the help. Quite an educational bonanza this Steel Forum. I knew I could count on you. Thanks heaps.
Michael in the Ozarks. |
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Donna Dodd
From: Acworth, Georgia, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2006 6:15 am
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A gig is something your husband has when family members come for the weekend! I KNOW you guys knew that!!!!
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Ray Minich
From: Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 26 Feb 2006 12:14 pm
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I had heard the term "gigging" used to refer to "frogging" before, now I see where it came from. Etymology not to be confused with Entymology  [This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 February 2006 at 12:15 PM.] |
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Duane Reese
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Posted 26 Feb 2006 12:54 pm
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When I was a kid and I used to hear people say "play a gig" I thought it meant a prank or a stunt (so when I'd go toilet paper the neigbor's house or something... It was just that night's gig) |
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Bobby Lee
From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2006 6:43 pm
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http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gig1.htm : quote: The term is usually taken to be of American origin, but the interesting thing is that the first two citations in the Oxford English Dictionary are from a London publication, Melody Maker, in 1926 and 1927. So the word in this sense has long been known in Britain.
Gig is yet another of those words for which researchers can give no firm origin, and what follows is largely supposition, following the leads given by Dr Jonathan Lighter in the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang.
The oldest sense of gig was of something that whirled or turned (as in whirligig); much later it was applied to a fast two-wheeled carriage, presumably because its big wheels went around quickly, and later to a fast ship’s boat. There are many other senses.
From the 1840s in the US, Mr Lighter shows it also applied to a form of betting, involving a set of three or five numbers selected by the bettor. From his examples, it seems the winning numbers were drawn from a rotating device, called a wheel, presumably like a lottery or tombola drum, which must be the link to the name. By the beginning of the twentieth century, Mr Lighter suggests the word had begun to be applied more generally to a business, state of affairs, or an undertaking or event. This may have been influenced by a similar sense of gag that had come into being by the 1890s.
However, the great majority of Mr Lighter’s examples in this sense date from 1957 or later, with only one from 1907 to suggest that it pre-dated the application of gig to an engagement to perform live music. This is why dictionaries are cautious about accepting this sequence of development of the word, even though it seems to be plausible.
These days, gig can have a wide range of senses, including a fairly new one that refers to any short-term paying commission or job; it need not be associated with music or performance, but it does preclude permanent full-time employment.
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Matthew Prouty
From: Warsaw, Poland
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 8:04 am
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I love these. I often get asked these since I live in a country where English is a second language. I was asked about the word "Fire" as in "You're Fired!" the other day and this is right up that alley. Here is what I found on gig:
Gig
Gig is an interesting word with a variety of etymologically unrelated senses.
This brings us to the most common sense, that of a musician's engagement or job. The musical sense dates to 1926 and first arose as jazz slang in the US. But the origin is not in music. The use of gig to mean a non-musical job or occupation dates to 1908, and the sense of a business affair or event is a year older than that. The origin is unknown, but it may come from the slang term gag. This dates to 1890 and means business method, practice, or behavior. All these sense are American slang usages.
These last senses may be from, or be influenced by, an obsolete sense of gig. This sense of gig is a type of bet in a numbers game. It dates to 1847 and is an arbitrary use of the sense of gig as a carriage (a horse is another type of bet).
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CrowBear Schmitt
From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 8:38 am
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Jimbeaux's got it right
it's that French dance
(froglegs included)
the Gaellic have the jig too
the subject came up here a few years back
(i could'nt find it w: search)
who's got a book out there about Musikal slang ?
the only one i got is " Really the blues" by Mezz
gig is'nt in it
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Gene Jones
From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 9:25 am
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In my experience from the 1940's I never heard the term "gig" until I was playing with musicians from the "big band & jazz" era in the late 1940's. I think that was about the time that "gig" evolved, first to western-swing, and then to all venues.
I don't know where jazz musicians of that era originally picked up the term "gig", but when they started playing with western-swing bands the use expanded by everyone who wanted to be viewed as "hip".
....but, who knows for sure!
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Michael Johnstone
From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 9:33 am
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Out here in L.A. I've often heard cats describe a gaggle of gigs as "extreme giggage" |
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Les Green
From: Jefferson City, MO, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 9:40 am
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Here in Missouri we have a "gigging season" from Oct. 15 thru Jan. 15. |
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Sam White R.I.P.
From: Coventry, RI 02816
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 10:15 am
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Yes Michale you are right. I do beleave the word GIG Started in the Service.I truely remember all those Drills and Gaurd Duty's I use to Stand in back in 1956 to 1962.I was always the lucky one that was the neatest in my out fitand got no Gigs.The Army taught you to have respect and to be neat.I like getting GiGs today with my Steel.
Sam White |
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David Doggett
From: Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 27 Feb 2006 10:56 am
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My guess is that Jim Cohen's kaka del toro is pretty close to the truth, and it came from the French dance (gigue) through the early New Orleans jazz musicians. [This message was edited by David Doggett on 27 February 2006 at 10:58 AM.] |
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Brett Day
From: Pickens, SC
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Posted 28 Feb 2006 1:13 am
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To me, a gig is the same thing as a performance or show. I consider the steel conventions and shows I play "gigs". Brett, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel, GFI Ultra D-10 |
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Bill Myrick
From: Pea Ridge, Ar. (deceased)
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Posted 28 Feb 2006 4:15 am
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What's the slang term for hip boots ? If I stick around in this post, I goota find some -  |
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