CMA Awards/Paul Franklin

John Ummel · Post by **John Ummel** » 11 Nov 2005 7:04 am

I so much want Paul to win this award, not only because he so greatly deserves it (about which there is absolutely NO argument). But also because the entire steel guitar community deserves the recognition.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 11 Nov 2005 7:57 am

quote: All of the other guys have won it at least once, if not more. When has BE won it?

Ron Scott · Post by **Ron Scott** » 11 Nov 2005 8:52 am

I vote for Paul and it's not just for the type of Steel he plays.He has just got to be so covered up busy all the time with the sessions and live shows...Lots of luck to you Paul..RS

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Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 11 Nov 2005 9:39 am

Buddy Emmons has never won.

I looked it up, and frankly I was shocked: no steel player has ever won. I'll say that again: No steel player has ever won. The closest is Jerry Douglas in 2002 for dobro.

I don't agree with some of the members that post things here like: "It's not country music if it doesn't have steel on it."

But nevertheless, these awards began in 1967 and the lack of a winnning steel player is crazy!

Regular guitar has won the most, led by Chet Atkins with 9.

Fiddle has done pretty darn well: Mark O'Connor has won 6 (in a row!) and of course he is also a fine guitar and mandolin player. Johnny Gimble has won 5 times.

But a steel player has never won. Absurd.

OK, Paul, this is your year!

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Dale Bessant · Post by **Dale Bessant** » 11 Nov 2005 9:50 am

Yes without a doubt,go Paul go,good luck!

John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 11 Nov 2005 3:27 pm

quote: All of the other guys have won it at least once, if not more. When has BE won it?

Barry,

I was referring to the guys nominated this year...

Chris Lasher · Post by **Chris Lasher** » 11 Nov 2005 3:31 pm

I just wish they would acknowledge the award as much as they do the others. I don't like it being tucked away into that one minute mention they give 2/3rds of the way through the program, just before commercial break. What's another minute and a half going to cost, really? Oh well. That's the business, though.

Paul, I hope you win the award this year, but regardless, you'll always be an inspiration to me.

Michael Garnett · Post by **Michael Garnett** » 11 Nov 2005 4:31 pm

Chris, they don't call us "Side Men" for nothing. Some old dude that sits there and makes good music doesn't sell well to network producers that can't survive without sex on the screen every 5 seconds.

That's very disturbing to see that no steel player has ever won the award. You'd think Buddy or Lloyd or Moon would have won it.

Oh well. Why am I getting into this business again? Underpaid and underappreciated... sounds like a deal to me!

-MG

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 12 Nov 2005 10:43 am

I think that most folks vote with their pocketbook; oh yeah, I keep an eye out for anything Paul does. Sure hope that Paul will consider doing a "classics" CD.

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 12 Nov 2005 12:51 pm

Pick up Martina's new cd, "Timeless" for Paul doing some "up front" steel playing on some true classics.

Pedal, non-pedal SuperSlide, and a little dobro.

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Mark

John Ummel · Post by **John Ummel** » 15 Nov 2005 11:24 am

Tonight's the night!!

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 15 Nov 2005 1:43 pm

The Colbert Report predicts Jerry Douglas will take the prize.

I'm reminded of the Playboy jazz poll decades back. It seemed more of a popularity contest.
We'll see.

John Ummel · Post by **John Ummel** » 15 Nov 2005 1:53 pm

I agree with Chris L. (above). Regardless who wins, Paul is a great inspiration with me.[This message was edited by John Ummel on 15 November 2005 at 01:54 PM.]

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 15 Nov 2005 2:36 pm

I am ignorant of the Colbert Report, but the fact of the matter is that you could pretty much give it to Jerry every year, like when Chet Atkins won a bunch of times, and there wouldn't be any real legitimate argument there.

I am still rooting for Paul even though like John Fogerty has said, Jerry is my favorite musician.

Another thing is that in recent years, Jerry has really cut down on his session work, spending most of his time with Alison Krauss & Union Station along with his solo career, and the Jerry Douglas Band. Paul is as busy as he has ever been playing on popular country singers albums. So as far as getting the day in/day out attention of the big hitmakers, Paul has more of that exposure.

If Jerry has an edge it's because Union Station has become very popular, and his new solo album is doing pretty well.

As mentioned by some posters earlier-the other three nominees aren't exactly slackers-they are all phenomenal pickers and certainly could win it, as some on the list already have.

But it should go to Paul Franklin.

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Mark

Rex Thomas · Post by **Rex Thomas** » 15 Nov 2005 7:02 pm

HRRUMPH.

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 15 Nov 2005 8:48 pm

"HRRUMPH."

I'm sure the west coast country fans appreciated the spoiler.

"Time difference". Look it up.

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 16 Nov 2005 1:51 am

I made sure I didn't look at this thread later in the afternoon.

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Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 16 Nov 2005 5:14 am

Guess I didn't hear the news yet.

Does this mean the guys on the other side of the aisle are cheering?
Jerry Douglas was great as usual with AKUS; it's hard when there are several deserving artists.
But I'll bet the CMA hasn't watched 'On the Night....'

John Ummel · Post by **John Ummel** » 16 Nov 2005 7:20 am

Double hrrmph...
Not even a little spotlight for Paul.
Very disappointing.[This message was edited by John Ummel on 16 November 2005 at 07:22 AM.]

John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 16 Nov 2005 7:29 am

Nothing against Jerry--he's a gifted, truly amazing musician, truly a musician of the year, but I'm still disappointed. I mean, c'mon--14 nominations, plays on a majority of the hits that keep the CMA in business etc. etc.?? What's missing here (as if I don't know the answer)?

Anyway, Paul, you're MOTY in my book

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Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 16 Nov 2005 9:25 am

There have been alot of steel players nominated but none ever won.

Why?

That is a Million Dollar Question. When will it ever happen??????

Well, we all know it should have or could have been many of the great steel players of the past.

What about some of these matches for example:

Hank Williams + Don Helms
Ray Price + Buddy Emmons
Johnny Paycheck + Lloyd Green
Buck Owens + Tom Brumley
Conway Twitty + John Hughey
Merle Haggard + Norm Hamlett
Loretta Lynn + Hal Rugg
Willie Nelson + Jimmy Day

Well the list goes on and on and on.

We are all in agreement as that it should be a STEEL GUITARIST.

GOD bless!

Terry Wood

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 16 Nov 2005 11:25 pm

First of all, I have great respect for the two subjects of this thread; Jerry Douglas and Paul Franklin.

One of the things that hasn't been discussed in this and other threads is Jerry Douglas' dedication to promoting himself as an instrumentalist. Every recording you pick up with him on it is likely to say "Featuring Jerry Douglas", and that's not by accident. That's in the contract.
If Paul Franklin insisted on "featuring Paul Franklin" being printed on the sessions he'd done, his name would be on every second recording anyone's bought in the last 10 years. And, like it or not, by that act would become more of a household name.
Now, just to be clear... that's not a judgement call on my part, either way, just an observation. Different people approach their career in different ways, and that's by no means an approbation or condemnation of either perspective... just a thought.
Any thinking person must agree though, when you're dealing with something like the CMA's, you're dealing with alot of hype.
I, myself, tend to lend more credence to someone like Mr. Franklin, who unassumingly goes about his business without drawing attention to himself. But the fact is, the more attention you draw to yourself through your promotive efforts, the more people will identify with you.
Just some miscellaneous thoughts from a wallflower

-John

Bill Hamner · Post by **Bill Hamner** » 16 Nov 2005 11:58 pm

John Steele, You nailed it! Every promo for a CD or group appearance of which Jerry is a part will include "featuring Jerry Douglas".
He has been actively campaigning for recognition while Paul and the other nominees have not. No one should be surprised that Jerry was the winner. He is with out a doubt a deserving recipient but without the self promotion he would be just another unrecognized super guitar picker!
bh

Pee Wee Rogers · Post by **Pee Wee Rogers** » 17 Nov 2005 4:00 am

I think if you win ONCE . . .that's enough give someone else a chance.
Life IS short.

Pee Wee

Rick Johnson · Post by **Rick Johnson** » 17 Nov 2005 4:42 am

I'm curious? How many number one songs
or even top ten songs from 2004 did
Jerry Douglas and Paul play on?
When was the last time you heard a dobro
give a chilling into or turnaround
in current music?? The only thing I can
think of is "Oh Brother Where Art Thou"

Paul would have my vote!!

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