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Roy Thomson
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 4:11 am |
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Seems like my friend Andy Sandoval and I
are on a Hawaiian Hunt these days. We both
are working with the B11th set up.
I pulled down from the shelf a 10 string lap which used to be the back neck of a Fender 2000 and tuned to this wonderful tuning. It reminds me so much of the times many years ago when I used to listen to Hawaii Calls.
No wonder the Spirit of those masters is still with us. What nice things they did
on their steel guitar.
Link to Mapuana http://members.cox.net/loveridehd3/MAPUANA.mp3 [This message was edited by Roy Thomson on 29 October 2005 at 05:12 AM.] [This message was edited by Roy Thomson on 29 October 2005 at 05:13 AM.] |
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basilh
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 5:03 am
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Here you go..
Courtesy of the August Issue of the "Aloha Dream" magazine
(We really need more subscribers AND contributors..!!!)
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basilh
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 5:46 am
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Roy, I hope you don't mind me posting the above..I can change it to just display links to the files (If you wish)
A question :- What version of the B11th tuning do YOU and Andy use ?
Baz
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Jeff Strouse
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Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 6:05 am
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ROy, that was breath-takingly beautiful! 
It flows so smoothly and dreamy! |
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Roy Thomson
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Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 7:09 am
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Baz,
No Problem ,,,leave it all right here.
On my MP3 I am tuned:
High to low: E--C#--A--F#--D#--B--F#--B
I think Andy is the same but am not sure.
Thanks Jeff, I could not have done that without your input.
I should add also that my arrangement was
derived from the work of John Ely and there are no bar slants. |
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Dan Peterson
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Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 8:17 am
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| Stunning rendition Roy! Thanks to you and Basil for both postings. I can smell the Plumeria blossoms and taste the Mai Tai I'm tuning to B11th and gonna practice, practice...practice! |
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Jeff Au Hoy
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Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 9:31 am
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| Baz, what an awesome article! I read every word. Invigorating to hear you expound on the importance of Hawaiian phrasing! I so wish you could have arrived in Hawai'i 30 years ago and given seminars like the one above... the Hawaiian style of steel playing would be so much better preserved than it is today in the islands. |
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Dan Peterson
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Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 10:14 am
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| Roy I'm truly inspired by your Mapuana this morning and have played if many times (at the mercy of dialup for a few more months until Comcast cable digs it last trenches to my house) and tried to save it using Windows Media Player. Not having much luck at that and would be grateful if you could 'attach' as a download your true MP3 version of it to me via email? (For my private use only, just having tuned one neck of my Magnatone lyric to B11th) and want to use it for practice and inspiration. IF you can?.. please send via email to me at: oceansmirage@aol.com. Thanks so much, Dan |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 10:19 am
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Hi all, Roy's rendition of Mapuana is another fine example of his beautiful playin, he can play anything he trys. My B11 tuning is pretty close to Roy's. I experimented with several versions of B11 and decided I really liked the B on the 6th string. I learned two different versions of Sand on B11 and each one was mostly on the first 6 strings. For now I'm usin E--C#--A--F#--D#--B--A--F# till I decide to try that Bass string for the low B version on the 8th string. If anyone needs the ryhthm tracks for Sand let me know.
[This message was edited by Andy Sandoval on 29 October 2005 at 08:32 PM.] |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 10:27 am
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| Dan, try right clickin on roy's link and choose "save target as" |
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Dan Peterson
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Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 10:47 am
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| thanks Andy, I did that and can save it, however it's a pretty small version. (I'm getting greedy now ..can you tell ? ha) I saved 'Sand' from an earlier posting and it saved as a larger Mp3. This one sounds good on my PC but want to record over to a CD so I can practice away from the PC ..just like to have a larger MP3 (maybe 128 or larger if he can send) Appreciate your input tho, I'd forgotten that part of right click save target! Aloha..Dan |
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Dan Peterson
From:
Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 11:15 am
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| Mahalo...Roy |
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Roy Thomson
From:
Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 11:16 am
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Dan,
I just emailed the MP3 off to you.
Sorry for the delay.
I had a student this afternoon and he
wanted B11 on his 6 string Silver Hawaiian.
I was happy to oblidge and he is in love with the voicings.
Six string set up:
E--C#--A--F#--D#--B |
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Roy Thomson
From:
Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 11:21 am
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Baz,
Andy sent me your files and I appreciate
that very much. Together with the
Sand article and files both are a dear treasure in understanding and inpiration to play B11th.
Best Regards
Roy |
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Dan Peterson
From:
Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 11:38 am
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| Mucho Mahalo again Roy, got the Mp3 and dl'd it, sounds great! Also appreciate the 6 string tuning for B11. I have three 6-string 'Oahu's & a Harmony' and one of'em is headed for B11, not sure which one(s) yet?thanks to you! Dan.. |
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Don Kona Woods
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Hawaiian Kama'aina
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 12:01 pm
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Baz,
Once again I want to thank you for generously sharing your work with the rest of us. You have a gift that many of us do not have, and when shared it only helps to make us better. Mahalo.
Roy, John Ely's arrangement is a beautiful arrangement which you brought to life.
I too have played his B11th arrangement of Mapuana at the Hawaiian steel guitar conventions in Winchester and Joliet. All seem to like the arrangement.
Aloha,
Don[This message was edited by Don Kona Woods on 29 October 2005 at 01:03 PM.] |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2005 7:28 pm
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| Ok this is what I've tried to play with my new B11 tuning. Two versions of Sand that were lots of fun to learn. This version of Sand is from an arrangement I learned from Chris Kennison. and this one Sand2 is from Basil's tabs. Both have lots of similiar phrases and licks in different keys but gave me a little taste of what B11 can do. I'm hooked. I have the BIAB files or an mp3 rhythm file for both if anyone is interested, just email me. [This message was edited by Andy Sandoval on 30 October 2005 at 03:17 AM.] |
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Dan Peterson
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Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Oct 2005 8:46 am
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| Niiiiiiceeeee ...Andy! I like both but..think Sand2 makes my toes twitch for the sands of Maui bit more..both are great! Thanks for sharing ..btw ..I clicked right and saved target...(thanks to your tip of yesterday..I'm pushing 70 but still 'larnin' Dan |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 30 Oct 2005 1:11 pm
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| See Dan? you CAN still teach an "ole dog" new tricks...just kiddin of course,I'm glad you liked both versions of Sand. I'm still undecided which is my favorite since both are really fun to play and I'm still workin on both to polish em up some. |
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Dan Peterson
From:
Gig Harbor, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Nov 2005 2:57 am
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| 'ole dog' indeed ) Yep, I keep learning, and it keeps me going! Keep polishin' Andy and don't forget to share with us, keep putting those links on, so us 'ole dogs' can click right and keep growlin' ! |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Nov 2005 1:06 pm
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I don't mean to be a butt~in, but; are you aware of J.B.’s version of the B11~Tuning? E–C#–A–F#–D#–C#–A–(Lo-B)
Regardless, they all sound great to me! Roy, I really appreciate your talents!
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’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 1 Nov 2005 1:43 pm
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John, Roy and Andy and myself for that matter are playing 8 String variations that the Hawaiian players used around the Hay Day of the Hawaiian Calls era.
Whilst Roy uses
High to low: E--C#--A--F#--D#--B--F#--B
and Andy uses
High to low: E--C#--A--F#--D#--B--A--F#
I use
High to low: E--C#--A--F#--D#--B--A--B
The root-fifth-root on the bottom strings just seems a little too broad compared to the voicings of the other strings, plus the fact that a low "A" is very useful when thinking in the A6th mode.(the B11th requires you to think in two modes at the same time, one tuning in a sixth format and another as a 9th.)
I've found that Jules Ah See and Barney Isaacs, amongst others, used the version with the low "B" I have my suspicions that Billy Hew Len also used the same version, mainly because he was A6 on his Fender 400.
Baz
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