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Topic: Am I crazy or are a lot of players out of tune? |
Gaylon Mathews
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Jasper, Georgia
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Posted 4 Sep 2005 2:53 pm |
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I've been making a livin' playin' out of tune for over 20 years!
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Joe Miraglia
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Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 4 Sep 2005 4:54 pm
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| Who is hearing right, the player or the one listening? If someone says so many are playing off,and can hear it and say it about steelers on the TV, radio, pro's working with big acts -wow they must be great sounding players them self. For me I can't hear that good,so that's why I,m not playing for a big act.but I'm not saying that many are off and making a bad name for the Steel Guitar. |
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T. C. Furlong
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Lake County, Illinois, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2005 5:42 pm
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I'm with Bobby Lee on this one. I too go in and out of hearing pitch in high resolution and then for a while it will be lower resolution. I would think having perfect pitch is more of a curse than a blessing. There is a guy I work with who does pitch correction for a concert TV show that we do. He is really great at it, but man I wouldn't want his job.
I think I probably have "perfect smell". I can smell things that most other people can't. Been that way my whole life. Let me tell you except for possibly being useful in preventing food poisoning, it is a curse. In third grade, I was appointed class-smeller and my job was to sniff out spoiled milk in my classmates' desks. Mmmmm.
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Malcolm Leonard
From:
Rhode Island, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2005 6:51 pm
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With reference to Gene's E string comment,the first and third strings on both standard and steel guitar are the hardest for me to tune and keep in tune,but I am not sure why.
On standard,I tune the E 1st with a pitch pipe or Korg electronic tuner,tune the other five strings in relation to E 1st and then play an open D major chord which always reveals the fact that I still need to further tweak the three treble strings.
This procedure of tuning in D major is something I read in an article written by Chet Atkins way back in the '50's in Country Song Roundup magazine. Chet also explained,in that article,that no standard guitar is ever perfectly in tune in every position no matter what we try to do to correct it.
I haven't been messing with steel guitar long enough to have workrd out a tuning system that I like.
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Willis Vanderberg
From:
Petoskey Mi
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 6:37 pm
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I think its in the ears. For years I played lead guitar,.I remember times I couldn't wait for Friday night to come, I felt like playing so much. Then when it came it sounded terrible. The whole band wasn't together. Then another night I was tired didn't feel like playing at all and had the best night. The band was tight and right on.
So I think a lot of it is in the ears. We are blessed with a lot of out of tune, don't know the differenc, type guys around here. But if you want to play you put up with what ever.The lead instrument definitely can't carry the band. The rhythm section has got to do that and be in tune.
Just my 2 cents...
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 6:48 pm
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| I think I probably have "perfect smell". I can smell things that most other people can't. |
TC, you might seriously consider a career as an oenologist (wine grower/connossieur). I'm serious. They really need people who smell like you. |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 7:20 pm
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| Maybe you have perfect pitch. That has a tendancy to make a lot of things sound out of tune. |
that`s it,I`m saved,
producer: Damir,you are out of tune again
me: maybe is humidity in here
producer: no, it`s you,you are out of tune
me:hey,Maybe you have perfect pitch. That has a tendancy to make a lot of things sound out of tune
producer (banging his head on the wall): aarghhh ,you`re fired...
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George Redmon
From:
Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 5 Sep 2005 7:25 pm
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| if you've a perfect pitch..what are you doing playing steel guitar? our Detroit Tigers need all the help they can get...get out here! |
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Stephen Gregory
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 12:09 pm
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| The reason the E's sound sharp is because of the tendency to flatten the other pitches to facilitate JI. There then comes a point in certain triads etc, where the E's will sound sharp relative to those "sweetened" thirds, sixths,etc. |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 12:53 pm
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| Right on, Stephen. I've been playing around with JI, and find these anomalies myself. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 2:11 pm
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Jim Cohen said:
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Jim, do you have any idea what T.C. smells like?
Lee, from South Texas |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 5:07 pm
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| Shouldn't this topic be, "Am I crazy, or are a lot of (fiddle) players out of tune? |
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T. C. Furlong
From:
Lake County, Illinois, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 5:11 pm
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Jim,
Thanks for the tip on a career in oenology. With my luck, I'd probably get a gig as a "connosewer" sniffing out methane leaks for the public works department.
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 6 Sep 2005 5:14 pm
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Well, don't turn your nose up at it...  |
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Lyle Clary
From:
Decatur, Illinois, KC9VCB
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Posted 14 Sep 2005 3:23 pm
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To answer Pete's question about Ron Elliott being able to play in tune, first he has a very good ear and to Charlie Stepp's credit plays a very stable steel guitar, a Derby. No cabinet drop. I believe Ron uses the built in tuner in the Line 6 Pod XT.
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1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure
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Lonnie Portwood
From:
Jacksonville, fl. USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2005 5:46 pm
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| Well by George, somebody in this band is in tune, and I want to know who it is!!! ( A quote often made by our rythm player)LLP |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 17 Sep 2005 4:53 am
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You ain't flat, the band is sharp!!  |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Sep 2005 8:14 pm
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In regards to Ron Elliott, I just heard from him today and he tells me he's using a Hilton Volume_Pedal! So, I guess; there's your answer¡¡¡¡  ROTFALMFAO!
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Ron Elliott
From:
Madison, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2005 9:16 pm
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| John, just trying to figure what the Volume pedal has to do with the tuning....beats me! |
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Lyle Clary
From:
Decatur, Illinois, KC9VCB
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Posted 19 Sep 2005 3:46 pm
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It is the faithful reproduction of the sine waves coming from your Derby steel guitar to the Hilton to the Line6 Pod XT to your two Peavey 112 amplifiers. I believe there are some product plugs there somewhere and deserves another trip to Scotland my friend. Thanks again for the last one. Enjoy your trip to the land of my GGGrandfather.
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