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Topic: A personal note to Terry Crisp |
Ted Solesky
From:
Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 12:47 pm |
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| Terry, our band opened for you all on Sat at Billy Bob's. I stayed around to hear you pick. Terry, the sound man had your volume level 'very' faint. I tried to come around to tell you but the security says you were tied up. I don't know what control you have over this, it annoyed me. The guitar's level was there but not in your face like it was on Fri when I watched that band. |
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 3:40 pm
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Unfortunatly Ted...Terry has no say in the out front sound....
As you know; it can be quite frustrating and a bit of a let down; when you play a show and you play well and you sound great to yourself on stage....>then someone or more; comes up to you and says they didn't hear a thing you played; because of the out-front sound. They usually say: "I can't hear you; can you turn up"???? and that to me is the biggest let down/.....because we play at such a perfect volume on stage(as it should be); but the out-front sound personel; don't have a clue and never did and never will....oh well.
Ricky |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 3:58 pm
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| Something similar happened at a show near here, so I took my chair and moved down near the steel players amp. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 4:07 pm
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I had the same deal at the Tracy Lawrence show last week.
Killer guitar volume, tone, and playing... Couldn't hear a note of steel (and there was no amp to sit closer to).
I heard Gaylon Mathews steel real well at the Gretchen Wilson show, but struggled to hear Jim Bob Garrett during the following Chesney set (it might have been that 4 other guys were rocking out on Les Pauls).
[This message was edited by Pete Burak on 25 July 2005 at 05:08 PM.] |
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Steve Hinson
From:
Hendersonville Tn USA
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 4:42 pm
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Yep!!! I've seen but not heard a lot of road pickers in the last 15 years. It was the same way when Terry played here. It's the same way when I play. Ted, if you had the same sound guy? Terry probably didn't hear you either...  |
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Steve Hinson
From:
Hendersonville Tn USA
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Terry Downs
From:
Wylie, TX US
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Ted Solesky
From:
Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 8:46 pm
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| I guess I'm fortunate. I have my wife trained to listen for the balance and I do go to the sound man an tell him what needs to be corrected. I use finesse of course. Most of them co-operate. I learned a long time ago, to buy them a drink or take the time to shoot the breeze with them. It's helped me be in the mix and be heard. This helps a week end warrior like me get more gigs. There were times where a musician or a band leader were in the crowd and end up asking you for a card. |
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Frank Parish
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Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2005 2:47 pm
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| Something that occurs to me here is if these "Soundmen" don't have a clue, why are they there in the first place? Isn't that why they are called "soundmen"? What are they listening to? I sometimes wonder about certain "engineers" too. A lot of these guys (soundmen) have the gig simply because they have the equipment and make a deal with the club as some of these so called "engineers" have all this gear and open a studio. It certainly doesn't make them experts or trained at what they're doing and it's a nightmare for the rest of us. I've answered my own question here obviously but you get the point. |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 26 Jul 2005 3:02 pm
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| Something that occurs to me here is if these "Soundmen" don't have a clue, why are they there in the first place? Isn't that why they are called "soundmen"? What are they listening to? |
Drums,Bass, Lead Guitar and somtimes even vocals. 
Most of the soundmen down here are wanna be rock players that do sound just to hang with the crowd.
If I work with a guy regular. I have him come to the stage.Listen to my amps. And tell him.Make it sound like that out front. Sometimes it helps. If it's a one time shot.I ask them to set all EQ flat, or 12 O,clock and hope for the best..........bb[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 26 July 2005 at 04:08 PM.] |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 26 Jul 2005 3:49 pm
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"Most of the soundmen down here are wanna be rock players that do sound just to hang with the crowd."
AMEN, Bobby!!I haven't been a regular on the club scene for years, but it seems like the majority of club soundmen are either player wannabes, D.J. wannabes, or the club owner's odd relative, who needs a job to stay out of jail.
And my apologies to those guys who are REALLY trying to run a board, learning their craft, and KNOW when the entire band sounds good. |
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 26 Jul 2005 5:57 pm
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Sound men - Doncha lov'um 
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Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
Mullen Universal 12 - 1975 Session 400 - Nashville 1000 - Vegas 400 - ETC.
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 3:35 am
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"Hey, how'd you like the snare sound on the new Conway Twitty record"!
Some pretty funny stuff on that forum.
Good mix, Terry. The snare is complementary.
Musicianship should be a requirement for sound men. |
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 4:56 am
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I guess I'm lucky, my son mixes FOH sound at the church where I play. He grew up listening to all kinds of music, especially music with guitar and steel. He is also a musician, plays keys and drums, but only wants to play the mixing board now.
Our church seats about 750 and we usually have 500 to 600 in each service. He records the music every Sunday and listens to it to see if he needs to do anything different the next service. I have given away a lot of CD's of our Praise and Worship music that was recorded live, directly off the board and lots of people say they sound like studio recordings. He also runs our studio, Riva Ridge Recording and does a great job there too.
So, all sound men are not incompetent although lots of them think if they know how to slide a fader, they're an expert. I have run into that kind too.
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Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 5:27 am
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Pity the band that plays to, and the audience that pays good money to see, a performance mixed and powered by a sound man with a tin ear...
"They're my toys and I'll do with 'em what I want."
Pink noise generators for everybody. |
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Ted Solesky
From:
Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 9:40 am
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| Thanks for the good inputs. If the sound man is a musician, generally, he knows what's suppose to happen. But I did work with a sound man, like what was mentioned here, that was strickly into rock and catered to the guitar. The more radical noise it had, the better he liked it. Another words, tone is not a requirement. There were times where he had my mike completely off. People paid to hear a professional show. My objective is to project good music to please the people that took the time and paid to come out to see our band. The sound man's job is to do the best he can to project that 'professional' sound and a lot of this can be done by just paying attention. |
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Charley Adair
From:
Maxwell, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 9:49 am
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I did a thread on Chessnut's steel player and the lousy sound mix where no instruments other than drums & bass could be heard. You might check the archives for some good comments on the subject.
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Ted Solesky
From:
Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2005 10:10 am
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| Charley, I met Mark's steel player - super nice guy. You're right, again, the mix wasn't what it should be. Slim seemed to be aware of that and was at the mercy of the sound man. Remember the ol days, when we just worked out of our amp and blew. I still do that now when I help out a band that does classic country stuff. And they do ask me to keep my volume down. |
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Ronnie Miller
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2005 5:59 am
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| Ditto what Steve said...cya...Ronnie |
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Howard Tate
From:
Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 Jul 2005 10:09 am
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When I was with the Countrypolitans we played the Susanville fair in Cal once, on a flatbed trailer in front of a grandstand, and the sound man did not want to give us a monitor. He said all you bands always think you have to have monitors.
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Howard, 'Les Paul Recording, Zum S12U, Vegas 400, Boss ME-5, Boss DM-3, DD-3, Sierra Session D-10
http://www.Charmedmusic.com
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John Cadeau
From:
Surrey,B.C. Canada
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Posted 28 Jul 2005 5:29 pm
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I played the Merritt Mountain Music Festival up here in British Columbia 2 weeks ago. You talk about being surprised at the stage setup. Each player in the band had three monitors at his disposal, it is a large stage, but the onstage sound was great. The leader of the the band went to the soundman before we started and said I want the steel out front and heard. When we were done I asked my wife who was in the audience how it sounded, her reply "it was great", and the steel guitar was right out there. She said she could hear every note. She probably even heard the bad note. It was a very satisfying day for the band.
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Ted Solesky
From:
Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2005 6:11 pm
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| John, that's the way it should be. I see that you have your wife trained too. It's nice that the band leader took the time to promote your instrument. Like us members here, the people, in general, really like to hear the 'steel guitar'. |
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John Cadeau
From:
Surrey,B.C. Canada
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Posted 28 Jul 2005 7:52 pm
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Ted
I do have my wife trained, the other thing is that this is a large venue, and I used just one Peavey Nashville 112, which I've only had for about a month, but the stage sound was so good I had it set at the same levels as I do in most clubs I play but the amp did the job big time. I've never regretted buying my Nashville 500, but this little 112 is all the amp I will ever need. It's a great little amp.
John |
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