When Will Julian and Reece Be Inducted?

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 13 Sep 2004 3:36 pm

This thread began as a bit of a lobbying effort for a couple of great steel guitar players. Fair enough! But now we're wanting to kick a few "underserving" members out of The Hall, criticize the current management committee and location, and rewrite the membership evaluation requirements.

Let no good deed go unpunished!

I give Scotty and the committee a lot of credit for founding and growing the HoF. We should all be as motivated.

If you have ideas on making it better then why not contact Scotty and get involved?

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Joe Casey · Post by **Joe Casey** » 14 Sep 2004 1:28 pm

Sometimes big is not the answer. When all is said and done all that attend the ISGC know the meaning of the effort ,the selecting and finally the chosen who are put up on the wall. It is enough that for four days one can reflect on and admire and support those inducted. The Convention is unique,off of it many other steel shows have been born. The great players themselves are in demand and they have extended themselves and careers by creating their recordings that we rush to buy. To me that is the blood and life of the Steel Guitar. No matter where the plaques are hung It is the four days in September,the four days that bring, from all over the world,the reason for it all. Plus getting to see the latest Smiley Roberts wardrobe.

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Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 14 Sep 2004 3:58 pm

I agree with Seymour.

JC

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 14 Sep 2004 5:18 pm

Could someone explain to me the history of the Reece Anderson "feud" or whatever is going on? I see mention of it in many different posts. I'm not prying, but what is common knowledge to most of you is unbeknownst to me. Someone could just email it to me if you don't want to post it. Thanks in advance, JimPeters

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 15 Sep 2004 6:07 am

(moved post to the other thread on the Wall of Fame; seems more appropriate to my remarks.)[This message was edited by Ron Page on 15 September 2004 at 07:09 AM.]

Roger Crawford · Post by **Roger Crawford** » 15 Sep 2004 4:44 pm

Ok...for more than ten years, the most visible steel guitar player on television. Sessions by the thousands with top names in the business. Road musician extrordinaire(you'd have to be to survive Ray Stevens and Del Reeves!). My vote for next into the HOF.....Larry Sasser. [This message was edited by Roger Crawford on 15 September 2004 at 05:46 PM.]

Roger Shackelton · Post by **Roger Shackelton** » 15 Sep 2004 5:27 pm

I will have to agree with DVA.

Roger

Terry Wood · Post by **Terry Wood** » 15 Sep 2004 6:38 pm

I know the SGHOF is full of Great Steel Guitar Artists! I agree with all the inductees! But what I do not understand as an artist, visually and musically, is why the names of Julian Tharpe and Maurice Anderson are not visible?

Maybe I am out of context here, but these guys could and did accomplish it!

I cannot in my 30 years of exploring, studying, and trying to comprehend the fundamentals of steel guitar, just can't understand why these two Giants of American Steel Guitar have not been included in the SGHOF.

I knew both, studied both, was mentored by both, and more importantly knew the heart of both these Artists. Two genuine Artists! Two guys with a Great Heart and Life for Steel Guitar!!!

Both Reece and Julian were and or are so gifted in Music! And all of the Steel Guitar Community is the richer for it too! GOD smiled on these two men and blessed them with creative and talented genius!

Terry

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 16 Sep 2004 1:50 am

Ron, The Hall of Fame wasn't Scotty's idea. The idea was Jim Vest's but it was too much for him to handle. Maybe we should put him in.

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Richard Gonzales · Post by **Richard Gonzales** » 16 Sep 2004 4:43 am

The HOF is not a peoples choice HOF. It is a
selection by COMMITTEE.
Steel guitar players selected to the HOF do deserve to be there, but not before some of the more deserving peoples choice steel players.
If there had not been the selection of Buddy Emmons by the committee, he would not be in, regardless what the population of steel players think.
This is a selection by a committee that only represent themselves. That is the way it has always been and always will be.

The End

Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 16 Sep 2004 3:46 pm

I would give an opinion, but, I damn near had a law suit the last time this topic came up and I put in my 2 cents.

JC

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 16 Sep 2004 5:33 pm

This SGHOF stuff is taken pretty seriously by a lot of folks. [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 17 September 2004 at 08:49 AM.]

Billy McCoy · Post by **Billy McCoy** » 16 Sep 2004 6:01 pm

Hey folks,

I have to agree that Reece and Julian should be voted in the HOF by the committee...whoever that committee consists of.

If the committee is indeed made up of steel players such as ourselves...then what is the holdup???

ANYBODY who has helped to advance Steel Guitar as much as these two folks deserve to be inducted.
....it is GOOD for STEEL GUITARist ....

THE END!

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smike · Post by **smike** » 20 Sep 2004 6:46 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>If the committee is indeed made up of steel players such as ourselves...then what is the holdup???</BLOCKQUOTE>

the committee is not made up of steel players 'such as ourselves'... the committee is made up of invidivduals who are in no small part responsible for the preservation and advancement of our favorite instrument over many, many years, and the communities built around it. all WE do is play, and talk about, steel.

if the committee WERE made up of steel players such as ourselves, it would long ago have degenerated into divisive bickering and inaction.

the committee deserves our respect, and appreciation... even if you don't like their decisions, they are the elder (don't hit me, guys!) statesmen of our small, steel universe, and continue to work together as a team towards a unified vision.

<BLOCKQUOTE>...just can't understand why these two Giants of American Steel Guitar have not been included in the SGHOF.</BLOCKQUOTE>

just because we may 1) respect how certain individuals play and/or 2) think they're great guys, the members of the committee have known these people for years... as friends, not-friends, business partners, peers, competitors, etc.

it is a rare individual who can be a public figure and not make a mistake in action or judgement along the way (see reference to aforementioned giants).

the committee feels that there is more required for entry into the HOF than being a great player and a nice guy... for example, how they treated members of the steel community over the years... which is why certain folks have not, and probably will not, make it in.

there's your answer, whether you like it or not.

bruce l.
aka 'smike'

[This message was edited by smike on 20 September 2004 at 07:48 PM.]

Ernest Cawby · Post by **Ernest Cawby** » 20 Sep 2004 9:37 pm

It would be nice if all the steel players that deserve to be there could be put in at once, somehow that would take away from the quality of being inducted.
Reece and i have had ouir words but i truly Think a lot of a man that can say what he thinks and means what he says.
Reece past be gone I do really believe you belong in the Hall Of Fame, you get my vote, And Jack and I would surely buy a MSA if money permits.You have sold Jack on the new one.

ernie

Billy McCoy · Post by **Billy McCoy** » 20 Sep 2004 10:08 pm

Bruce,

So are you saying that the committee is made up of people who do not play steel guitar???

And if I'm not mistaken....Reece in particular has done a whole LOT to help advance the Steel guitar in more ways than one.....His JAZZ is a good as any if not better....his teaching is second to none,
His Guitars,..arguably one of the most technologically advanced instruments of it's kind.

I never said I do not respect or do not appreciate the committee....
I just don't understand WHY why a Steel Guitar legend (Reece in this case) would not be considered......or has he???

Also, you mentioned a UNIFIED vision.
Tell me....what is that vision.
This would clear things up.
What are the parameters for being inducted to the SG HOF?

No disprespect, or dishonor intended on ANY of my threads. I'm just trying to nderstand the process here.

God Bless ALL of us.

b

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Richard Gonzales · Post by **Richard Gonzales** » 21 Sep 2004 7:30 am

HMmmm, maybe it's a TEXAS thing, How many from TEXAS have made the HOF?

Post by **Joey Ace** » 21 Sep 2004 8:24 am

Billy,
The Induction Procedure is described here: http://www.scottysmusic.com/abouthof.htm

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 21 Sep 2004 9:09 am

Joey,
I'd never read that before and now that I have I'm even more curious.... "Why isn't Maurice Anderson or Julian Tharpe in the HOF".... Also, as the premier and grand daddy of all the conventions, why don't we ever get treated to the steel guitar playing of one of the "World's Foremost Steel Guitarists", Maurice Anderson. I'd love to hear Reece again and I'm sure a bunch of others would too. It's just too far for me to drive to Texas. I hate to say it but at least in my eyes the prestige of being in the HOF doesn't mean much to me as long as these two aren't members. The only times I ever got to hear Reece play was in the LA area around '69 or so at a show at the Imperial Inn and also at Blackie Taylor's Music store when he and Phil Baugh did a show. I was totally floored by his playing and I don't even like jazz but I loved watching and hearing what he was doing. The great tone, flawless intonation and execution which he played with really did it for me. That was 35 years ago and I still remember it like it was yesterday. Not too many players, even some major ones have affected me that way. So in closing, no matter what they do in St. Louis, Maurice Anderson is in my Hall of Fame and has been for many years...JH

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smike · Post by **smike** » 21 Sep 2004 9:42 am

billy -

no, i am not saying the committee is made up of non-players!!! just not players 'such as us'. in addition to loving and playing steel, the committee members are active promoters of steel... teaching, selling products, promoting through conventions, etc. they are MORE entitleld to pass judgement on members of our community than the majority of us here, who are entitled only because the forum allows us to hit a 'submit' button and post our words... please don't confuse that with anything other than the abillity to express one's INDIVIDUAL opinion... it doesn't make an opinion worth anything more than one person's opinion (like this one, for example).

reece HAS done a lot for the community, he's an awesome player, and a nice guy... that doesn't mean that the original msa didn't take deposits from people for guitars that were never delivered. the new msa even acknowledged this with their 'resolution' process, which was supposed to make restitution to the people who lost money with the old msa.

but... it was only when the new msa realized that there was bad p.r. coming out of the issue (no matter which side of the issue one was on) that they instituted the resolution process. this is not the same as taking a pro-active approach to doing the right thing... again, my opinion!!!!

i guess it comes down to this... either the committee has valid reasons for not inducting reece and/or julian and/or _________, or they don't.

i'm inclined to think they do, and not let it affect my appreciation of reece's playing and contributions to the steel.

bruce

Dave Horner · Post by **Dave Horner** » 21 Sep 2004 12:38 pm

Bruce,

You wrote: "but...it was only when the new msa realized that there was bad p.r. coming out of the issue (no matter which side of the issue one was on) that they instituted the resolution process. this is not the same as taking a proactive approach to doing the right thing...again, in my opinion!!!!"

That sort of reporting could probably get you a job with CBS. You have not ever been made privy to any of the inner workings of the new MSA and, as a result, you have no idea what was decided or when. The fact is you are incorrect.

The fact of the matter is that even before the new MSA business entity was formed, the principals had decided on instituting a resolution process.

As for the SGHOF, it is made up of only a small group of people. If reading this Forum's posts is any indication, there seems to be a dispute as to whether or not the SGHOF represents the views of a substantial portion of the steel playing community.

Rumor has it that at least one of that group, for his own reasons, wants to keep Reece out of the SGHOF notwithstanding Reece's substantial contributions to the steel community and notwithstanding the resolution process.

If that rumor is true, then it's a shame that a personal vendetta can keep a legitimate legend from inclusion in the SGHOF.

If that rumor is not true, then Reece will likely be inducted when the SGHOF group learns of his playing prowess, his long term commitment to the steel guitar, his leadership in innovation, both in music and in products, his teaching and mentoring skills and his general willingness to share his knowledge with others.

Dave Horner
MSA

smike · Post by **smike** » 21 Sep 2004 3:29 pm

You have not ever been made privy to any of the inner workings of the new MSA and, as a result, you have no idea what was decided or when. The fact is you are incorrect.

dave -

you are right that i have no idea as to what was decided internally at msa (old OR new!), or when.

on the other hand, there was no visible/public motion with any kind of restitution process until the heat got turned up considerably.

i'm glad to hear that you guys were talking about it, and even planning for it... but the fact is that up until you got involved and even mentioned a restitution process, the messaging from reece (in particular) was that there were no victims, it was a personal vendetta, that people HAD been recompensed with stock, etc.

yours was a voice of reason at the time, but i stand by my opinon, whether you think it incorrect or not: if there was enough justification for a resolution process EVER, then that resolution process would have been equally justifiable years earlier... before all of the HOF angst, for example.

so... why wasn't the restitution process part of the launch strategy of the new msa?

why was there a resolution process at all, if not for concern about negative pr impacting sales? (i think this is a perfectly legitimate reason... don't you?)

why DID msa decide to implement the restitution process?

thanks,
bruce[This message was edited by smike on 21 September 2004 at 04:31 PM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 21 Sep 2004 7:27 pm

HMmmm, maybe it's a TEXAS thing, How many from TEXAS have made the HOF?

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Dave Horner · Post by **Dave Horner** » 21 Sep 2004 9:20 pm

Bruce,

Rather than bore a new generation (or any other generation) of Forumites with historical matters, I responded to you privately.

Dave