I have another question for you guys

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

If I'm on the wrong forum to ask questions, just let me know.

I've always played a single 10 LDG model. with back neck padded.
would it be much of a transition to go to a single neck 10 with no padded back neck?
I noticed there was a $1000 difference in the price of a single neck carter and a single 10 on a double neck frame.

also I've always used the nashvile set-up, but with the knee levers on the right lowering and rasing the E's. I've noticed most set-ups have the left knee levers lowerin and rasing the E's. would it be much of a transition switchin those around? I kinda got a one track mind.

You guys from Ar, do ya'll know Benny Shelton, Richard Ivy, or Pete walthal?
I know all these guys, bought that Emmons from Benny.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

Lincoln Goertzen · From: Taylor, British Columbia, Canada

Hi, Terry. Welcome to the forum. I'm sure that you will get different answers to your questions, but here are my two cents.

I think there would be a kind of transition going from a single neck with a pad (SD-10)to a singe-frame single neck (S-10). The adjustment would not only be physical, (as you would no longer be able to rest your arms on the pad), but it would be visual as well. It's amazing how you get used to the looks of a double frame, until a single frame looks like almost nothing at all!! My advice would be to sit behind an S-10, and see what it FEELS like, as well as what it LOOKS like to you. The transition would be entirely about your preference. (You might really like the S-10.)

RE: switching knee levers- do you mean actually changing the knee levers on the steel? Or, changing their locations in your mind?
I cannot speak about the former, because I have never done this. Changing locations in your mind, however, can be done; you just need to get used to it. I don't understand how anyone can play two steels, each with a different setup.

Hope that helps.

Lincoln

Bob Tuttle · From: Republic, MO 65738

Terry, The Carter website price list only shows a price difference of $200 between the S-10 and the SD-10.

Herb Steiner · From: Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064

My friend Danny Hawk, who's an experienced steel player, played an LDG forever, like 25 years. Then he went to an S-10 Emmons PP, and while he liked the sound to die for, his wrists and elbows started hurting due to (probably) incorrect body adjustments for the smaller cabinet. He recently went to an SD-10 Legrande and his pain has gone away.

I've also had a few students who have complained about the single-cabinets. One student has a nicely made padded platform attached to the rear apron of her Carter Starter, effectively turning it into an SD-10. I will have either that guitar or a prototype at the TSGA Jambo.

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Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Thanks C and lincoln.

switching knee levers- do you mean actually changing the knee levers on the steel? Or, changing their locations in your mind?

I was talkin about in my mind. since I hadn't played a steel in almost a year, I think I could get used to the left knee levers rasing and lowering the E's.
that is the set-up you were refering to right? the A pedal rasing the B's to C# the B pedal rasing the G# to A and the left knee levers, one rasing the E' to F and the other lowering the E's. is'nt that the Nashville or Emmons set up? you can tell, I ain't no proffesional LOL!

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Terry, The Carter website price list only shows a price difference of $200 between the S-10 and the SD-10.

Thanks Bob, I guess I just looked at it wrong
Man! that's more like it.

Herb. thanks for the info. that's the kind of things I worry about changing from the SD10 and the S10

Doug Seymour · From: Jamestown NY USA (deceased)

how about the majority of pros playing the back neck (C6th) Do they also have problems??
I never heard anyone complain?? If you need to rest maybe you need to have a pad, but I never thought the extra weight to carry was worth monkeying with? Am I wrong? I was once? Ha ha!

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

When I went from a D-10 to a Universal I ordered the U-12 on a Double body. The reason was I WANTED the extra space for the knee levers; so they would not be jumbled up in and around pull rods. I also needed this space for other things not pertinent to this thread.

If I had it to do over again, I would make one change; I would have Mistsuo make it on a 12-12 body; instead of a 12-10 body; as this would give me even more room to work with.

carl

HowardR · From: N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville

The late Freeman Cowgar used to make a removable pad & rest for his S10s. It was an option and seems like a good idea.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I suspect you might find the E's on the left side will work well once you are used to them.
raise Lft with p A and lower right with p B.

A year off might be enough time to let you brain recycle relatively from scratch.

It seems to have become fairly standard because it has a pretty good logic as far as I can see.

I am no veteran with pedals, but the logic seems oretty apparent to me. I have been changing levers myself and it takes a bit, but not as long as you suspect, to get used to it.
a week or so for simple playing and a few more for ity to b instictual.

Still tyhe LKL LKR E's I wouldn't change.
just 2 cents.

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

It seems to have become fairly standard because it has a pretty good logic as far as I can see.

I agree David about the logic. The LKL and LKR in relation to the pedals, makes a lot more since than the way my set-up was.

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

Hey Terry,
I've seen too many good single neck players who don't have a double body who are great with no complaints like Maurice Anderson, Jeff Newman, Joe Wright, and others. I've played a single wide for 25 years and there's a lot to say about having that room in case you want to double on guitar or mandolin or some other instrument. As far as moving your E raises and lowers to the left knee it ain't the way to go. If you want to go to a U-12 later on down the line they should be on the right knee. Ask Jeff Newman, that's where his are. I used to have mine on the left knee years ago but moved them to the right as it made more sense when I started playing the Universal. Have a great day...JH

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Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Jerry, I doubt I would ever go to a 12 string, it's all my mind can handle with 10 strings. LOL! Is the universal 12 mainly for having the C6th sound available?

Ray Minich · From: Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra

I have both an Emmons SD-10, and a couple of Dekley S-10's. The only problem I have switching from one body to the other is adjusting to the new sight line of the strings, 'cause string 1 sits in a different location in space relative to my elbows. After about 15 minutes of flailing away I adjust to it.

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