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Larry Behm
From:
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 8:45 am |
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I wish I knew what Paul Franklin did 20-30 years ago that upset other big name steelers such that they hang onto it to this day.
We must let by gone's be by gone's, life is short, we need to adopt the attitude of "It's not about me" it is about "HIM".
Those of you who have followed the forum for the last several years know from where this comes. Even saw some more currently on a post about a lick and how to play it or not etc.
Give me a break. Paul has been in the hot seat for a long time here by some, but he is also still in the 1st seat on Nashville sessions. Keep up the good work Paul there are many out here who love and respect you.
Larry Behm
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 9:09 am
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Wow Larry, that was very boldly and well said!! Good for you. My sentiments exactly.
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 9:24 am
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you are sooo right fellows.
But it is not ever going to stop. Let me give you the proof.
"you will be mocked, cursed and spat upon for my namesake"
And truer words were never spoken. Paul is a born again Christian. That fact alone means he must endure bashing and maligning all the days of his life. He will never be free from that verse.
Nor will I. Nor will anyone who accepts Jesus as their personal Savior.
As I told a person in my MSN Christian chatroom, "if you are not being subjected to that verse all the time, you NEED to reexamine your faith?"
Sadly one does not have to say a word. That verse will still happen once the facts are known. But you know what?
Paul and all who have experienced that bashing do not have to lift a finger. Jesus DOES right all wrongs. And may HE have mercy on the wrong ones. For HE said,
"Twould be better if a millstone were put around your neck and you be cast into the see, IF you hurt one of my children"
carl
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 10:18 am
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Yes, Paul is a great guy, and a very serious incredible player. I'm not aware of him making anyone agravated with him, not enough to ever hold any type of grudge. Possibly some could be a little jealous of some of his richly deserved accomplishments.
I had done some session for Pete Drake in the past that Pete himself had hired me for. This was when Paul was working for Pete in the studio, and yes, this was a little unnerving, my respect for Paul has been great ever since the first time I heard him play at 14 years of age.
I wish Paul the best, he deserves it, and he's earned it also. A great guy.
Larry B., your last statement was, " there are a lot of people out there that love and respect you (Paul)", put me in there as one of them, and yes, there are many.
bobbeseymour [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 01 November 2003 at 10:26 AM.] |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 10:32 am
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The guys who are the most visible make the easiest targets. Also going back to Shakespeare (and taking him out of context) "Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown."
I would be very surprised, though, if Paul sleeps uneasy.[This message was edited by chas smith on 01 November 2003 at 10:33 AM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 10:56 am
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Larry, it doesn't matter. Really. Paul's playing and accomplishments speak for themselves and are a record in steel guitar history. When ever you achieve the level of Paul, Buddy, Lloyd, Tommy or the rest, you are going to piss someone off along the way.
Thats okay. Thats goes with the program. Its because human beings have diametrically opposed opinions about just about anything. When you expose yourself to the public in either a political or entertainment vain you have to be prepared for the snipers and critics. Thats life. Paul's achievements and stature in the steel guitar community are A#1, top shelf, cream of the crop, 24 carat diamond, Grand Master supreme. No matter what any one small comment could ever detract. Same with the rest of the Grand Masters. |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 11:05 am
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Kevin, well put. As always. Wish I'd have said that.
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JB Arnold
From:
Longmont,Co,USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 11:28 am
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I haven't seen much Paul bashing here recently-seems most of that came from a couple of folks who have deservedly been removed from the membership roster for other reasons-but back when I was a newbie 'round here, I went to St Louis for Paul's HOF induction, and was surprised at the time to see a LOT of folks (to my mind anyway)walking out on his HOF set and making a lot of noise about how they weren't gonna put up with this anymore, bunch of crap, throwing their hands in the air, and in general showing a fairly high level of disrespect for a guy who's leading the charge into the 21st century. I was shocked. But hey, people walked out on Dylan back in the day too, when he tried to march forward with his genre. In fact, one of the purists who did so was none other than Jerry Garcia, who later ended up being one of Dylan's biggest fans.
It was later that I discovered that leading a charge anywhere but into the past is considered a high crime by some folks around here. I doubt Paul cares. If he's being hit with tomatoes, he should wear those stains as a badge of honor.
Sometimes the true visionaries have to take a little *^%$.
Rock on Paul....
JB
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 11:58 am
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| The most salient lesson that I have learned in my many years in this life, is to never, never say anything negative about anyone. I have never met Paul and I love the man's music. I have never heard better and I prob ably never will. Paul and a handful of other musicians, I think have reached an enviable plateau. I really don't care about anyone's politics, religion, etc. and if I remember correctly I think that I have read a lot of complements about Paul being a super nice guy. If I have a problem with anyone or draw some caustic remark; then I ignore them forever and most certainly never open any of their e-mail. Hey, I'm still trying to figure out "Jingle Bells". I'm sure that a lot of us that have played in some joints have had some guy come out of the woodwork etc. |
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Stephen Gregory
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 1:15 pm
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| Good point Charles. And as far as the great players are concerned, the only people they *#*@ off are the ones that are jealous, resentful or envious. If you notice, the really great players are usually the most positive. The "wannabees" are usually the ones with hidden or not so hidden agendas. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 1:24 pm
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I've never quite been able to figure out the motivation for finding fault with another player's musical direction, personal or political convictions, execution and performance, or choice in guitars... but there always seems to be a lot of that going on on the various forums. Luckily, there's also always a lot to be found here in the way of mutual support, helpful advice and positive commentary. I applaud all of you who try to take the high road.
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Jeff Lampert
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 1:34 pm
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| If you notice, the really great players are usually the most positive. |
Actually, what I've noticed now and in many past threads, is that the iconic players are quite vocal about information and opinions that are not complimentary to them. From my observations, they have the same sort of pride, defensiveness, anger, and other sorts of emotions that us mortal players have. In fact, I would maintain that the main difference between them and us is that they play better than us. Other than that, they are subject to the same frailities of the human condition that everyone else is. And I wouldn't expect anything different from that. Playing great does not mean you're not human, although they sure don't play like they're human! 
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 3:15 pm
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Jeff,
I think you've got something important there.
Paul, thanks for knocking down some of those walls with your steel. The world of pedalsteel would be much poorer without you.
That goes for Lloyd, Buddy and a bunch of other guys too !
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Stephen Gregory
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 4:47 pm
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| Actually most of the "iconic" players don't post here or not often. Probably because they'd rather say nothing then to spew negative deragatory drivel. |
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Dale Bessant
From:
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Nov 2003 6:24 pm
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The pedal steel guitar is very new to this planet and its still evolving as we type..Paul Franklin has taken this instrument to a new level of interest worldwide,has turned in great performances on record and on stage, his playing comes from above,talent,determination and endless hours of practice and theory and he has shown us there are endless possibilities on this new instrument,God bless him,who are we to judge if hes doing this right or wrong,I for one ,would dearly love to be as advanced as he is on this instrument.......Go Paul Go...  |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 12:44 am
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| I've never quite been able to figure out the motivation for finding fault with another player's musical direction, personal or political convictions, execution and performance, or choice in guitars. |
I think some people are very insecure or have very low self images, and the only way they can bolster their own self esteem is to belittle others. [This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 02 November 2003 at 12:00 PM.] |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 1:34 am
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| I think some people are very insecure or have very low self images, and the only way they can bolster their own self esteem is to belittle others. |
Especially those that are insecure, and have low self images.. 
And so on.. and so on.......
( Just kidding MP I jest couldn't he'p it.. )
I do agree heartily with most of the points made.
I think however that there are some that might be a little too ready to jump to the defense of people that are certainly able to defend themselves. I never see Mr's Winston, Franklin, Emmons, Green, Anderson, Seymore, Lee, Randolph, Babineaux, or really any of them incapable of retort. If anything, it's much easier for "players of letter" to spend little time proving they "know whereof they speak". Some of their responses, like Mr Green's "heretical lick" msg cracked me up severely . Some still show they are just people like the "rest of us" for better or...
Some choose not to participate in this small part of the community for many reasons. Some maybe even because they don't like the feeling of having their boots licked. Most obviously to our great benefit, have even learned to deal with that. That actually might be harder.. I wouldn't know. (Some are just "private people" outside their actual playing.)
As they're in the "big league", as somebody mentioned, they have been dealing with it longer usually than us "quarter century" bush leaguers.
If they are disabled, deceased, or somehow unable to do so, that is indeed another story. I'd just as soon not hear anybody bashing Don West, CC, JCD, Richard Edge or ET (for sure), though I'm sure they wouldn't really care either. We all have our "things"..
Some of them have chosen to our great benefit to be very publically accessable. Some have not. Actually, the two "big leaguers" that still have the most influence on me are the ones that I've never heard of speaking publically. One passed on without so much as a single published word that I ever heard about. I don't think either ever touched a typwriter or computer keyboard. Probably out of choice.
I remember the instance where a certain guy with sunglasses got a negative opinion posted about one of his performances, and half the guys here lined up like the old samurai entourages hacking each other to bits. I don't think the guy with the shades cared one way or the other...
There are "many rooms" here, that's for certain.
My thanks to those that have helped me, if by no other reason than reading some of my "views from the bush" and commenting one way or the other. If I "step on somebody's toes" without knowing it, I always like to know. ( Sometimes however..... )
My thanks especially to Winnie, Paul, Mr E, Mr's Green, Byrd, Anderson, Carver, Ayers, Dixon, Hinson, Seymore, Lee, Bell, Burak, Behm, and fifty more. And their respective "entourages"...
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 3:51 am
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I sure wish I could acquire the skills that PF or any of the other greats have..
I would consider it an honor to be bashed..
I'm currently being bashed daily at home and I don't even have those skills !!
Whats up with that ?
T |
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Chuck McGill
From:
An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 6:47 am
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It's obvious Paul Franklin is a great player,
But I think his tone is midrange heavy.
To each his own. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 7:20 am
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I think his tone is to die for. If I could have but one wish (over all the many blessings Jesus has given me), I would wish I could just once, just once, pick with the clarity and tone he gets so effortlessly.
carl |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 7:41 am
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i was taught not to bash, especially when i'm down lookin'up
Yeah, Rock on Paul [This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 02 November 2003 at 10:35 AM.] |
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Jeff Evans
From:
Cowtown and The Bill Cox Outfit
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Posted 2 Nov 2003 6:34 pm
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Some of you guys have a very low threshold for "bashing."
If this is about the ricochet thread (and that isn't at all clear), you have a topic-starter expressing his lack of enthusiasm for a certain lick. Here's what I'd like to know from the pilers-on: Is expressing a steel guitar related preference appropriate on the Steel Guitar Forum? |
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Chuck McGill
From:
An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Nov 2003 8:03 am
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I don't consider my opinion bashing. My preference for tone is more an electronic
thing. Paul Franklin is no doubt one of the
best players but this is a forum. Not everybody likes the same sound. He's not wrong and neither am I. I think some people
just get their lips too attached to the players rear to be objective. I'm not pointing any fingers but lets not forget to
have our own minds. Mr. Dixon do you like
Paul Franklin's tone over Lloyd Green's and
remember this is not a competition, just an
opinion. I mean no disrespect to any steel
player or any other player. |
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2003 8:38 am
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Chuck.
Which "tone" are you talking about???
PF is a recording artist. He plays on more sessions than you can imagine. When he leaves the studio, 99.7% of the time he probably has no control over the final "tone" of his instrument. That is all done in the final mix/master sessions by recording geeks and producers. They put so much EQ, compression and junk on there that the REAL tone of PF might be a hard thing to pin down in some cases. I am sure that there have been times when Paul himself didn't really care for the "tone" that he got after all the "sonic middle men" messed with it. Ask him. |
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Ron Page
From:
Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2003 9:38 am
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I remember walking into Bobbe's shop years ago before I owned my steel and seeing a Franklin. I didn't realize there was a Paul Sr. or that Jr. was a junior. All I knew was that he had to be the same Franklin playing on so many of my favorite records.
Oh, I've seen a post or two decrying the sameness of modern country recordings and naming Paul among the culprits. But, on balance, I've seen a lot more praise for Paul and his work than anything to the contrary.
As far as those walking out of his HoF induction set, that was disrespectful. While I recall sharing in their disappointment that we didn't hear much of the great stuff that put him in The Hall, to walk out was a personal affront that most wouldn't consider. If Paul Franklin is playin', I'm stayin'.
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