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Topic: Steel on the Opry tonight |
Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 25 Jan 2003 10:03 pm |
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| Did anyone hear Tommy and JM's steel tonight? It seems the sound man doesn't want that sound to get past the stage. Tommy looked great but there was no sound. It could be the sound man is a critic. |
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2003 11:05 pm
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 This sounds like the same audio problem Bill Hankey talked about last week. Tommy sounded great to me on his ride behind George Hamilton IV, right out front and smokin'! |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 3:18 am
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Gary,
I'm 100% in agreement with you. If you enjoy the drum beats in the song "Early Morning Rain" (title ?), you wouldn't have a problem. If you want to hear Tommy's break, then there is a high level of dissent, at least for my listening pleasure. Luckily, I have the ability to review the T.V. portion, and this enables me to offer a response to those who do not experience the same sound levels.
Bill H.
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 9:15 am
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There's got to be something wrong with the way your TV or speakers are set up, or something wrong with your cable or satellite provider. Tommy was way up in the mix for me.  |
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Neil Lang
From:
Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 9:21 am
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Jim,
I have to agree with you, Tommy W. on the MSA sounded GREAT to me. Came through clean & clear. Also enjoyed the "Vintage Sounds" of Asleep at The Wheel & the No-peddler!
Neil |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 10:50 am
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Jim S.,
At this point, I'm thinking in terms of setting a precedent, by trying to get to the solution of what is truly responsible, for the steel guitar's barely audible squeak in the forest of giant amplifiers. There is not an iota of a problem hearing the numerous breaks, and fills of other stringed instruments. With that in mind, I'll dismiss the assumption that my T.V. or cable is at fault.
Bill H. |
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Al Gershen
From:
Grants Pass, OR, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 11:02 am
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Hi SGF:
I listened to the show live on Internet radio at WSMOnline.com and on television and I believe the sound quality on the Internet feed was much better.
Tommy White's solo with George Hamilton III was very beautiful tone wise on the Internet version where the television version didn't seem to compare.
Also, I didn't like Jim Murphy's tone on either platform but his playing is out of site.
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Regards,
Al Gershen
Grants Pass, Oregon. USA
Fender 1000 (1956),
Fender PS 210 (1971) &
Gibson Electraharp EH-820 (1960)
Al's Photographs and "Photos of the Day" at http://www.alsphotographs.com
[This message was edited by Al Gershen on 26 January 2003 at 11:03 AM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 11:15 am
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What is the matter with you people? If a large number of TV watchers/listeners with sensitivities toward steel guitar equal to yours are reporting that the TV audio was ok, then clearly there is a problem with--- a: your tv settings--- b: your cable settings--- c: your vcr settings--- d: your dish settings--- e: your service provider for any of the above (cable company, etc.)
Are your stereo/mono settings correct? Are you mono-ing out a stereo signal improperly and causing a phase cancellation? Are you getting screwed by your cable service?
The persistent implication that there is nothing wrong with your perception so therefore there is something wrong with mine (and the rest of us who can hear it just fine) is pissing me off. There is obviously a technical problem. You will need to do something about it. Complaining on the SGF that the Opry is subverting the steel guitar audio is going to do precious little. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 12:47 pm
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| It's a doggone conspiracy, Jon, is what it is. Next thing you know, they'll be puttin' flouride in the water. Anybody know where I can get 3 or 4 SKS's?? I wanna be ready!! |
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Paul Graupp
From:
Macon Ga USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 3:11 pm
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For those who may not know; Jim Murphy is a surperb pedal steel guitarist. I watched him years ago with Jeanie C Riley and one time he turned his left foot sideways while playing on the C6th neck and used four pedals at once. He also has a magnificent E9th solo (on an old Carl Smith LP) titled: Big Murph on which he takes a fine ride on sax as well. If he wasn't a first class western swing player I doubt if you'd find him playing with Ray Benson. He can't help it if he has the best of two worlds in those hands. He can do it either way he wants to and still be a first class steel guitarist.
Regards, Paul |
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Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 4:35 pm
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| After others saying they heard the steels fine, the fault seems to be with my cable system. I guess it's time to switch to a dish, thanks for the info, Gary. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 4:50 pm
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| Gary--as I said in my email, my apologies---my little fit was in no way directed at you. As you can see from this small sampling, some folks are getting a good feed, some are not. Unfortunately, there was some OUTSTANDING steel work that you were not hearing. Both Mr. White's and Mr. Murphy's. Wow. |
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Rick Ulrich
From:
Gilbert, Arizona
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 5:43 pm
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| I don't get it. I have the same problem as Bill Hankey and Gary Walker. I got rid of my old TV and got a new Sony 51 incher with superb sound quality. I don't experience a problem on other musical programs, it only seems to be on the GOO. I thought the sound people got their training at C-Span as they only seem to have 1 or two mikes on and I only hear the instruments close to them. Sometimes the steels ride will come through just fine but not so Saturday. All I heard was the rythm guitar, kachunk, kachunk, kachunk. What's up with that?? |
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Graham
From:
Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 5:56 pm
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nothing much wrong with the steel rides on Saturday evening. Check out the 2002 page on my site for the ride TW took on Connie Smiths' second song - You've Got Me. Beautiful playing!!
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 26 Jan 2003 8:57 pm
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| Tommy sounded great to me on that new MSA. I thought the sound and the camera work were really good this time. Congats. Teresa!...al |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 12:05 am
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Al M.,
Indeed, the camera work is excellent. I've noted that the Joe Nichols segment of the televised portion has not been alluded to. The camera moved in as to touch steel guitarist Jay Andrews, during his break of Nichols' hit song, "In Broken Heartsville". Jay's steel slides can be heard, but I wanted to see more of his technique. I reviewed George Hamilton the 1V's "Early Morning Rain" several times, and each time assuring myself, that the problem is there, not here.
Bill H. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 6:06 am
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I've had no problem with the general 'mix' the last couple of weeks (the steel's been perfectly audible), but I did notice the overall volume fluctuating - I watched again on Sunday and the same thing happened (in the same places, I'm sure!) Did anyone else notice that?
It was nice to see George IV - I toured extensively with him a few years back (in England), and I'm going to visit with him at his gig at Avon Park, FL, tonight - I wonder if he'll even speak to me now he's had Tommy playing with him....  |
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Johnny Cox
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Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 6:18 am
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I watched the TV portion and also listened to several of the radio segments. The steel was properly in the mix. Remember, the steel guitar is not supposed the loudest thing you hear. It is part of the band, not the star of the show. I had no trouble hearing steel guitar at any time.
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Johnny Cox
MSA Customer Service
www.msapedalsteels.com
www.thetimejumpers.com
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 9:09 am
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Johnny Cox,
A lot of lessons can be learned by watching, and listening to the "Oldtime Country Clips. I have one of Loretta Lynn from the 60's, with a 5 piece band. The great Jimmy Day is clearly focused at all times. I can't think of anyone who knew when to lay in, and lay out of the steel behind a singer, to a greater degree than the late Jimmy Day. His break was so pure, and clear, that I thought to myself, what a treat, what a contrast. A doghouse bass guitar, a few small drums, lead guitar, in a simplistic setting is still a huge challenge to anything that is presented today. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 9:46 am
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"Remember, the steel guitar is not supposed the loudest thing you hear"
Well said Johnny, and soooo true. It also epitomizes the 'oft spoken ole saying,
"Thou doth protest tooooo much".
It is natural that a person who plays ANY instrument is going to listen for to THAT instrument more than the others. But the audio engineer mixing the sound; cannot and indeed MUST not cater to what an individual wants to hear. Rather, he must consider what MOST wish to hear. And observe tried and proven standards of mixing.
One time many years ago at ISGC, on a Thursday afternoon, the "audio taping" sound crew was setting up the 2nd mixing board. As a courtesy to any who want, the crew always permitted those who wished, to plug directly into this board. This was then proceeded with a daisy chain, ie, first come first served to be in the "line out" from the mixing board.
Well while this was going on, one gentlemen came up and was very intrigued this was being done. And he said, "I hope you have the steel nice and loud when you set the controls."
Whereupon, the leader of the audio taping sound crew said words to this affect,
"No we are setting every instrumet so it sounds like it does in the hall."
This IMO, was 100% correct. And ties into what Johnny said. We must remember that the steel is NOT the most sought after instrument in the band, in MOST of the minds and ears of listeners.
carl
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Jeff Lampert
From:
queens, new york city
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Posted 27 Jan 2003 10:17 am
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 4:13 am
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Gary W.,
If you will recall, I posted a subject matter quite similar to this thread, a week prior to your entry. I do not wish to press any issues beyond a reasonable point of conjecture. I've had some posts that others have found interesting. Interesting exchanges that offered information, and helpful entries of new ideas, make up a large part of the S.G. Forum.
Anyone attempting to promote erroneous notions that intertwine with something involving musical issues, will find that I insist upon setting the record straight.
I don't ever recall anyone saying that the steel guitar must stand out above all others. The human voice is still the epitome of musical appreciation. Nothing can equal the precious harmonies of human voices. When I first heard Chet Atkins play "Snowbird" on his guitar, tears crept into my eyes, as those magical hands poured out his rendition. The rich acoustical sounds of the Spanish guitar, offer much for one's listening pleasures.
Equality is the term that applies in this matter, if preconceived notions do exist.
Bill H.[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 28 January 2003 at 02:17 PM.] |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 8:00 am
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Well said Bill. The only thing you were trying to convey is what you heard or didn't hear on the broadcast. There is no need to diss anyones "Honest" questions. Different Cable systems or Sattelite broadcast may vary. Those of us that were lucky enough to have had clear broadcast should be more understanding to those that did not.Bill Hankey is one of the finest gentleman that I have been priveleged to meet in my lifetime..No one works any harder to promote the Steel guitar than this person.
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Rick Ulrich
From:
Gilbert, Arizona
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 1:52 pm
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| In regards to my earlier reply, it has been my experience that when the singer lays out and the camera does a closeup of the steel guitar, the sound of the steel usually comes up to where you can hear it. On Sat GOO, that happened and I could barely make out the steel was playing. I thought everyone must be experiencing that but if not, it may be a cable system thing. Or it could be my new TV is so complex I need to hook up surround sound to hear all the channels being broadcast. It is good to know that it isn't a general problem and reinstates my respect for the sound people at GOO. |
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