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Sigi Meissner
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 12:45 pm |
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I want to say also hello to everybody and say that I’m very happy to be a new member of this forum.
In Switzerland where I live (my mother tongue is German) professional players and teachers for the PSG are pretty rare.
After a 22 years long professional career with standard guitar and bass and teaching
these instruments as well I have considering “efficient practicing” two things in common
with my students: For the 1 1/2 hour per day practicing we want to get the most fun out of it but also get the best result or best progress. When I advise them " take your time cause it takes a lot of time to reach an advanced level" I sometimes get back the answer "Ok, I take my time but I don't want to waist one minute!" They thought me that it seems to be part of this efficiency to deal with the personal energy and time management. I also realize times must have changed…
All I actually want to know is how other people practice in particular the steel guitar. What are your preferred methods? Do you want to reach a goal in a limited time? Does anybody of you have worked out a certain system to be as efficient as possible? Tell me what are you most convinced of?
When I practice I usually start with a little warm up like playing tree mayor chord and sometimes minors through all keys. Then I play a view speed picking runs in different tempos. I have prepared a good amount of tracks in various tempos and keys with a Fostex hard disc recorder. From various instruction materials of the "stars of the PSG" I try to include new licks or runs by repeating them in every chorus. This way of practicing takes me the main
part of the time. Everything what I get out of original records I write down on tab. In the rehearsal room I sometimes record the band I play with the whole song with keeping the space open for the steel solo. What I’m most convinced of is the way one should repeat new stuff: By the first touch of a complex lick I repeat it 50 to 100 times. (Shortly before I transforme myself into a roboter I stop) Then I try it to play it with my tracks same key but different tempos. The following days I try other keys. This whole thing I repeat in one week then in two weeks then in four. Every two month I record myself with the tracks and try to check out what new
stuff I can remember without having practiced anything 5 min. before recording it.
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Gerald Menke
From:
Stormville NY, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 1:11 pm
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Lieber Sigi,
herzlichen Willkommen zum Steel Guitar Forum!! Es hat mich sehr gefreut Dein Post zu lesen, ich wuensche nur dass mein Uebungzeit so gut organiziert wie Deins sein wuerde!! Normaleweise fange ich mit Tonleiter an, durr und moll, und dann spiele ich mit ein paar verschiednen CDs, aber am wichtigsten, versuche ich immer mit einem Metronom zu ueben. Sehr hilfreich!! Zwar gibt es so viel auf dem Forum zu lernen; es ist der Quelle Steel Guitar Info schlechthin!!
Bis nacher,
Gerald Menke
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Sigi Meissner
From:
Duebendorf, Switzerland
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 1:31 pm
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Hallo Gerald, ich hätte alles erwartet aber nicht, das mir jemand auf deutsch antwortet.
Ich hoffe nicht das andere Mitglieder böse auf uns sind wenn wir zwei uns auf deutsch unterhalten...
Bist du ein Profi Steeler? Wie lange spielst du schon? Kennst du noch andere Mitglieder, die auch deutsch sprechen? Warum kannst du deutsch?
Ich spiele eine Sho-Bud LDG
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Gerald Menke
From:
Stormville NY, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 2:34 pm
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Hallo Sigi,
du hattest aber recht, eine Diskussion auf Deutsch koennte unsere Mitglider aegern; wir sollen warscheinlich auf Englisch fortsetzen. Es gibt ein paar andere Steelers die Deutsch koennen, oder im DE wohnen, mein Deutsch ist aber elementar, aber es macht so viel Spass auf Deutsch zu reden, schreiben. Deutsche Literatur war meine Haupfach an der Uni (ich schrieb meine These auf der oesterreichischen Dichter Georg Trakl) und ich arbeite bei Bertelsmann hier in New York. Leider bin ich kein Profi, sondern super gewidmeter "newbie" d.h. ich spiele Steel Gitarre nur seit Februar 2000, und beschaeftige mich mit ziemlich wenig sonst!! Also, leider muss ich das Buero verlassen, ich schick Dir ein Mail spaeter und wir koennen weiter unterhalten wenn Du willst. Wieder willkomme ich Dich zum Forum!! Ich muss sagen der Thread von Johann Jansen "Classical Music" ist hoch interssant, ich wuerde doch empfehlen dass Du es liest, ein perfektes Beispiel warum das Forum so phantastisch sei.
mit freundlichen Gruesse
Gerald
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 2:39 pm
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| OK now you guys cut that out or somebody will start throwing some ebonics or maybe some goodoboy lingo at you! |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 2:44 pm
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Yo Yo Yo!
Wel Cam 2 da 4um, Sigi!
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-j0ey-
www.JoeyAce.com
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Bob Carlson
From:
Surprise AZ.
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 8:03 pm
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Easy for you guys to say. Welcome to the Forum.
Nobody on the Forum ever practice. We spend all are time on the Forum shooting the bull.
Bob. The Norwegian. |
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Buck Reid
From:
Nashville,TN
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Posted 6 Dec 2002 11:39 pm
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Hello Sigi,welcome to the Steel Guitar Forum! I'm not really sure why i'm responding to this.....i guess i feel you need a little help,and who doesn't!  It's good to practice "licks",and repetition is good! But,mental practice is just as important if not more so. A basic understanding of music theory goes a long way. Try to envision how you would sing any given song and try to play what your hearing in your head. It's a sure fire way to achieve your own voice! Also,it gives you something to offer to those who are learning this "wacky" instrument!! |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 7 Dec 2002 6:29 am
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Gruetzi miteindand!
Ich woehnte ein jaar in Zuerich (im Wollishofen; kennst Du?), im 1978. Aber ich spielte kein steelgitar damals.
Auf wieder luege!
Jimbeaux |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 7 Dec 2002 7:04 am
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Bienvenue a ce magnifique Forum de la guitare d'acier Sigi
who ist de Feldschlossen und der Landjaeger ?
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Steel what?
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Anders Brundell
From:
Falun, Sweden
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Posted 7 Dec 2002 9:01 am
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Det var det jävligaste jag har läst på länge - vad svarar man på det här? Jag har glömt all skoltyska.
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 7 Dec 2002 10:51 am
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sjonge jonge, wat een talen hier allemaal, laten we het maar in het Engels doen!
Hallo Sigi, wilkommen auf das Steelguitar-forum. Ich hoffe das es dich viel spass macht!!
I didn't talk crap, I just said hi in German
JJ
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 7 Dec 2002 12:11 pm
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Ciao Sigi,
Benvenuto sul Forum, vedrai che puoi imparare un sacco di cose utili qua e chattare con alcuni dei migliori chitarristi steel del mondo... ci sono anche un paio di imbecilli ma non ascoltare le cazzate che dicono...
Ach so, du bist ja aus Zürich! Ich kann nicht so gut Schwyzerdütsch... Willkommen! |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 8 Dec 2002 12:28 am
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| pa eto ja odlucio kad svi ovdje lupetaju nesto da se i ja javim pa da lupim kupus pitu (?) |
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Otto Buergelin
From:
Loerrach, Germany
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Larry Miller
From:
Dothan AL,USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2002 5:28 am
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| Sigi, Klaatu Baratta Nikto |
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Mike Delaney
From:
Fort Madison, IA
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Posted 8 Dec 2002 6:01 pm
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| Dia duit! |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2002 7:43 pm
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| You guys "splain youselfs) |
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Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 8 Dec 2002 7:46 pm
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ih igis....Emocllew ot eht murof! Emos fo su evah a egnarts esnes fo romuh, tpecxe em
Dennis |
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Sigi Meissner
From:
Duebendorf, Switzerland
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 3:56 am
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Thnx for your welcomes and your respond.
Sorry for the little conversation in German. For all those who wanna talk to me in german let’s do it with my private e-mail: mysnare@gmx.net
Though I got not to many info what methods other people use to practice efficient I was very amused how other members where feeling like demonstrating their mother tongue.
To Buck
I’m agree with you. An important point especial for beginners in music. The inner voice should guide thru the song. When I was playing Jazz on the standard guitar earlier it helped me also a lot to hum along the impro. A good solo never consist only of a row of licks.
Grüezi Jim
Of course I know Wollishofen. It’s only a 15 min drive with the car for me. I go sometimes in the “Rote Fabrik” where they have rock concerts. Maybe it’s good that you’ve returned to USA. I doubt that Wollishofen had been the kick for start playing the steel…
To Crow Bear Schmitt
Merci beaucoup pour les très mots chaleureux. J’ai visité ton home page e je veut te dire que tu as très enfants fantastiques.
To Jo Henry
Io non capisco bene Italiano pero ti ringrazio. Ach so du sprichst ja auch deutsch...
To Dennis Mike Damir and Larry: translation please!
To Johan
It was a pleasure to read your thread about classical music. I’v about 200
Classical CD’s at home. I was 3 Years on the Conservatory Zurich where I played
Villa Lobos, Bach and Sor on the classical guitar. Unfortunately the guy’s kicked me out of the school…
To Dennis Mike Damir and Larry: Translation please!
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Jason Stillwell
From:
Caddo, OK, USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 7:18 am
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I-ay eel-fay eft-lay out-ay.
Onvicts-cay ere-hay!(Oops--wrong forum. Hey, Barn) |
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Gerald Menke
From:
Stormville NY, USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 3:39 pm
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Dear Sigi,
I had no idea my reply would unleash the many languages of the world upon the Forum!! Regarding a practice scheme, I have noticed that if I practice hard one day, (for a working Joe like me three hours straight or more), and then take a day off, my playing on the third day is noticebly improved, as compared to times when thanks to unemployment(!) I had time to practice five hours a day every day. I think the neural pathways and muscle memory building process is an temporal one, it's like the new moves take time to settle in. Maybe some sort of tissue growth takes place up there in the gray matter... I noticed this to be true when I was studying singing as well. I'm working on voice leading and sight reading now, and the first few sessions were pretty tough, a few days later it's more automatic...
To any of my fellow Forumites who felt left out by the German-fest, my apologies, didn't mean to exclude anyone.
Gerald |
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Larry Miller
From:
Dothan AL,USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 4:18 pm
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| Sigi, I can give you a rough translation of Dennis Detweilers' statement. "Welcome to the forum! The humor of some of us is strange, myself not included." Remember, this is just a rough translation, and may not be completely correct. |
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Mike Delaney
From:
Fort Madison, IA
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 4:43 pm
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| Dia duit is how you would greet someone in Irish (literally "God to you"). |
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Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 9 Dec 2002 8:14 pm
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Sigi....speak any language you want. No one will get offended. We're just having some fun with some odd homemade languages I wrote English backwards. And Larry decoded it.
Pig Latin??? I remember the Fruit Loops commercials from 19?? uit-fray oops-lay.
Dennis |
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