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Topic: Joint pain/Arthritis slowing you down? |
ed packard
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Posted 2 Dec 2002 7:22 am |
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I have heard many pickers complain about joint pain affecting their performance and comfort. Personally, I am very skeptical about "cures" and "preventions"; However, some folk that I know in this area have tried a product and are raving about it. It is said to encourage regrowth of the cartilage in the joints thus removing the pain.
If you have an interest, email me, and I will have someone send you the source of info on the product and the it's testimonials and double blind university tests.
Because I don't have the problem, and don't use the product, I can't say one way or the other re it's value, but if I did hurt I would give it a try.
Sorry about what may seem like a commercial, but picking pain ain't no fun![This message was edited by ed packard on 02 December 2002 at 06:26 PM.] |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Dec 2002 4:58 pm
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Ain't gonna hurt me to "testify" I suppose.
In 78, I had a right wrist joint socket broken pretty badly.
Some years after that, was visited an old "millionaire farmer" I'd known since childhood. He was applying a honeybee sting to one of his knees. Said it was the only thing he'd found that relieved it.
I tried it on my wrist, which had started to bother me in cold weather, and didn't have a problem for more then three years. Did it once again, and it lasted for more than 5. Haven't had a problem since. Seems the body's response to the venom helps quell arthritis.
Regrowing cartilidge is no secret anymore.
Chicken Gelatin. ( ground up cartilidge). Take it for more than a month. I suppose there's that " pain free condroitin" etc, but it's basically ground up chicken cartilidge. I blew out my right knee jumping up and down on a dump truck tongue, and couldn't kneel it hurt so bad. It went on for a couple years. Three weeks of gelatin caps, and it hasn't hurt since. Neither has the wrist.
Both are easy, simple, and cheap. No MLM, No "borrowing" 5000$ worth of magnetic doo-dads. Nothing more objectional than the taste of gelatin, or getting a sting from a honeybee. |
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 2 Dec 2002 5:39 pm
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Eric, if you have not had a positive experience with magnets I can see how you might feel. Those who have swear by them, it would not be a billion dollar buisness if they didn't work for someone. The credibility would die out and they would soon be gone, but that is not the case.
Come to Jubitz this week end and I will rub on you, a magnet that is.
Also try MSM or CMO for joints, many companies make this product. Many have had success with them.
Larry Behm |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Dec 2002 7:37 pm
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Well. Our Band has done the yearly company picnics for several years for Nikken, and I know Jeff, the regional #1 guy pretty well.
I have not had any joint pain in the five or six years I've known him, or I'd certainly have given him a call. He's one of the friendliest and "non agressive" people I know.
I think that the Bee and/or Chicken industry out does Nikken about a thousand to one.
A Gazillion chickens can't be wrong.
Seriously though, I have yet to find *one* person that could explain how magnetic fields contained in wrist or waist packs work. Not a one. I thought magnetic fields given off by overhead power lines was a "scourge" to those around them. It might indeed work. I just hesitate to try something in which the preponderance of "evidence" is closer to "group belief", or could be just as easily attained by wrapping an area with saran wrap or duct tape to increase blood flow.
Bee stings and Chicken cartilidge completely normalized my arthritic wrist joint and knee. They made any discomfort disappear for years at a time, and currently, it's been 6 years since I thought of either one. In the case of cartilidge, it is the glucosamine compounds that actually "feed" damaged cartilidge. In the Bee venom case, it seems to be the bodys' immune response triggered by the acetic acid in the localized area that heals. Both pretty simple, and well proved out.
Why do I feel a "Lock" looming for this one?
I'm headed over to see Doug and Renegade. Maybe I'll see you there. I guess Wes B is coming out later in the week. We might set up a "Wall of Steel Guitar". Depends on how much I have to work during the days this week.
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 03 December 2002 at 10:01 AM.] |
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2002 6:46 am
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I received the information on this product from Ed's friend last night. Sorry to say she represents a multi-level marketing company that one of my ex-coworkers got involved with a couple years ago. Just seeing the name of the "Reliv" company was enough to turn me off.  Then seeing that the "standard" treatment costs $120 per month put it out of my mind completely.  |
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ed packard
From:
Show Low AZ
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Posted 3 Dec 2002 7:00 am
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I just found out last night that it is $120 per month if you get the "big" package. It seems that there is a first month total refund if it does not appear to work or ???
This thing sounds like the AMWAY bit to me, ..but if I hurt enough all that would not stop a free try.
Jim, ..what was your or your friends experience with the Reliv co? Anybody else have any info?
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Ernie Renn
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Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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ed packard
From:
Show Low AZ
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Posted 3 Dec 2002 8:49 am
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ER; Water??? do you know what fish do in that? Beer maybe...
I had the water here analyzed, ..I drink bottled water ever since. Very few folk seem to drink the recomended 8 glasses a day, but it sounds like a good idea to me.
A picker friend just called me, ..it seems that he is taking the Reliv stuff for the past month, ..not much for the arthritis yet, but claims that it has lowered his blood pressure. Not trying to speed pick might help with blood pressure.
We are getting a bunch of "cures" for the PSG community here, ..if you have one add it to the list; it might help some picker.
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2002 10:27 am
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I'm at work and the email is at home, but the way I understood it was that $120 was for once a day doses, but she emphasized that many people got better results from two or three doses per day!  BTW, she should have paid more attention in math class, as she said the $120/month equates to only $3/day! 
My friend distanced himself from Reliv as soon as he learned that selling their products was secondary to signing up others to sell them for you. He doesn't work here anymore so I don't know if he ever tried their stuff himself. Go to http://www.reliv.com and check them out yourself. |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Dec 2002 11:21 am
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Checking the ingredients for a dose of the Artho whatever, I find strangely enough, 7GRAMS of "Hydrolized Collagen" and "D-Glucosamine sulfate". In other words, ground up chicken cartilidge.
It won't help Carpal Tunnel, but I sure haven't had problems with the joint in my right wrist that has a broken and healed socket.
I'm thinking of raising more chickens, and selling franchises, or loaning a hundred chickens to anyone wanting to get in on the ground floor...
$500 for a years supply. COD COB. ( Chickens On Board.)
The required Grind-a-Chicken (tm) "extractor" of course, will be extra.
I'm having the prototype jobbed out to Carbon Fiber Technologies in Taiwan. Looks to have superior resonance properties...
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 03 December 2002 at 11:29 AM.] |
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Fred Layman
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Springfield, Missouri USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2002 1:48 pm
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I don't try anything unless a doctor prescribes it or Consumers Report has tested it and recommends it. I'm always skeptical about claims made by the supplemental/alternative medicine companies because they report anecdotal, rather than scientific, evidence, that may be merely placebo and commonly rely on conspiracy theories ("why your doctor doesn't want you to know about this cure")to sell their products. Additionally, they are largely unregulated and hard to sue.
But check a back issue of Consumers Report at your library, issue of January, 2002, article titled "Joint Remedies." They tested 19 brands of Glucosamine (made from shellfish shells) and Chondroitin (made from cow cartilage)for the treatment of osteoarthritis. The manufacturers of the products claim that they slow the deterioration of cartilage and may even promote the growth of new cartilage. Veterinarians have long used both supplements for treatment of osteoarthritis in animals.
The article cites several extensive studies that have been done on these supplements, including 15 European studies reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which concluded that "it seems probable that these compounds do have some efficacy in treating osteoarthritis symptoms." Testing carried out by the independent researchers at Consumers Report also concluded "our medical consultants say there's enough evidence to conclude that products containing the amounts of glucosamine, chondroitin, or both that worked in the clinical trials [3 pills daily]might be worth trying for people with osteoarthritis..."
The CR researchers found that several brands did not actually contain the amount of glucosamine or chondroitin claimed on the label, but recommended two brands in particular: Puritan's Pride Maximum Strength Glucosamine-Chondroitin and Spring Valley Glucosamine-Chondroitin Double Strength). The latter is sold at Wal-Mart for around $30 for 240 tablets.
The supplements have to "soak in" for a period. "CR states that, "it may take two months for glucosamine and chondroitin to produce any significant improvements." I have been taking 3 pills daily (1500 mgs of glucosamine and 1200 mgs of chondroitin in combination) for most of 2002 and my joints feel more flexible and I experience considerably less pain than formerly. (Losing 50 pounds is also probably a factor). I recommended the supplement to my sister-in-law, who has exercised for years and maintains a normal weight, and she emailed me back after serveral weeks, saying that her arthritis was noticeably improved and that she is now able to sleep an entire night without waking up with pain. This is not a cure for arthritis, but can alleviate symptoms for many who try it. FWIW |
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2002 1:56 pm
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| Good for you Fred, I too am a Glucosamine-Chondroitin convert! I've been taking them for about two years now. I got to feeling so good that I started slacking off a couple months ago. I noticed some pain coming back again so I got back on the recommended dosage a couple weeks ago and can feel the pain going subsiding already. |
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