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Topic: Pedal Steel Setups - what is STANDARD? - What % players use |
Bill Fulbright
From:
Atlanta, GA
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 3:35 pm |
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Well, it's time for a poll.
I am curious to know if there is a STANDARD set-up for a D-10. I know there are MANY personalized versions especially in the knee lever department, and some of the C6 pedals, but for the basic E9/C6 setup....
What is the "standard"?
Is it something other than Emmons?
Is Emmons the Standard?
What percent play Day set-ups?
Are there OTHER setups that many use?
Since I am acquiring a Mullen D-10 in the next week or so, and it is coming with the Day setup, (which I am very familiar with since the last steel I had also had the Day setup) I am very willing to reset this one with "the standard" set up so I won't be handicapped if I play someone elses guitar.
So, I remember the response from all the forum when I made my first post for D10 vs U12... boy, what a discussion that was, and I really learned a lot.
Thanks in advance for all your opinions. My plans are to probably go to the ABC setup and follow "the Standard" E9 approach.
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Bill Fulbright
Mullen D-10 (on its way);
Gibson ES-165; Peavey Vegas 400;
ICQ# 2251620 2100 Solutions, HotGuitar - Bill Fulbright's Music
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Ken Williams
From:
Arkansas
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 4:07 pm
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I started with the Emmons set up but changed to Day years ago. Everyone has their own preference but the Day setup just feels right for me.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 4:27 pm
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I Learned on the EMMONS set-up and have not changed. Although there are many that play the DAY Set-up I beleive there are many more guitars that one can play that are setup EMMONS so that allows me , and probably others to play others guitars as well.
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Wayne Cox
From:
Chatham, Louisiana, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 6:52 pm
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| It might be relevant to notice that all of Buddy's E9 Tab is written using the "Emmons" setup! ~~W.C.~~ |
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Bill Fulbright
From:
Atlanta, GA
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 8:33 pm
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You can see pictures of it and my tuning set-up at http://hotguitar.org just click on the Mullen D-10 link in the left navigation bar, then on the Co-Pedant link on the Mullen page.
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Bill Fulbright
Mullen D-10 (on its way);
Gibson ES-165; Peavey Vegas 400;
ICQ# 2251620 2100 Solutions, HotGuitar - Bill Fulbright's Music
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Bob Carlson
From:
Surprise AZ.
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Posted 30 Nov 2002 8:55 pm
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Right Wayne...If you could play "Just Destroyed The World" from E's Expo E9th with a Day set up...you wouldn't be needing the tab.
Bob. |
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Jeff Lampert
From:
queens, new york city
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Bill Fulbright
From:
Atlanta, GA
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 4:09 am
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Jeff,
Thanks!!! That is more like what I thought.
I seem to have the idea that about 2/3 of the community uses ABC...while the other 1/3 uses CBA or something else...
Still, I was/am curious to know .. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 10:14 am
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| I've used both "Emmons" and "Day" setups on and off over the years- pretty much like playing a left-handed guitar, a player might be better off sticking to an Emmons setup if planning to sit in on other folks' guitars. A few years ago I fell off a three story roof and dislocated my ankle and that did it for me, now it seems My "skeletal setup" is a "Day"... my ankle turns a lot better in one direction than the other. I can sit in on an Emmons setup but then I have to think instead of just playing. Can't have that.. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 1:54 pm
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Bill-For all practical reasons, reading tab, and playing others guitars, it would seem to be best for the Emmons setup.
But physiologically, it is easier for the ankle to use the Day setup......al  |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 2:24 pm
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| All builders that I know of ship their stock guitars with the Emmons setup. This precludes any new pickers from trying the Day setup unless they happen to have a teacher or favorite player who prefers that setup and request it that way. |
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Kenneth Kotsay
From:
Davie/Ft Lauderdale, Florida
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 2:34 pm
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Howdie Neighbor - Nice looking Mullens, can't wait to test drive this buggy.
Bill I know about 15 steel players in the tri-county area. All have the Emmons set-up. I think one might have the Day set-up.
While I lived in NYC I knew at least 20+ and only a few had the day set-up.
Does it matter, I guess it's up to the individual but I do know this, when I tried out a Day set-up on a friend's D-10, I got confused as all hell, naturally the knee levers where also in the wrong place so I went right back to the Emmons set-up and that's where I have been for 28 years.
But again, it's just a matter of adjustment. I do remember that while starting out on the pedal steel most of the published tab material I purchased was written in the Emmons style set-up, there's uniformity to most tab material, but again I guess it's matter of adjustment. It can all be worked out.
Also when you come over all my steels are Emmons set-up. Wait till you hear the rhythm tracks I made on my computer with BIAB. I plug my computer into one of my amps and man do I have sound output.
PS - Do you realize that I'm closer to Ft. Lauderdale than you are, which is about 5,000 feet closer.
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 3:04 pm
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| All builders that I know of ship their stock guitars with the Emmons setup. |
But on most new guitars it´s also fairly easy to change the pedal setup (unlike a push-pull Emmons, for instance) so a player could try if maybe he/she actually likes the Day setup better. (Why do I always assume that all steel guitarists have a tendency to tinker?)
I´ve always played Emmons setup, but I´ve messed with the knee levers almost from day one - if you have both E string changes on the right, like I do (and Jim), it doesn´t really matter how the pedals are set up.[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 01 December 2002 at 03:05 PM.] |
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Kenny Forbess
From:
peckerwood point, w. tn.
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 3:57 pm
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Jim Smith said it all, above.
That explains why the percentage of the Day & Emmons set-up is favored to the Emmons.
However, if the builders had used the Day set-up as the "standard".... where would the percentage be ?
I see no difference or advantage in either set-up, it's just your preference, and or, the way you first started to play the pedal steel.
I play both,but my preference is the "Day",
only because my first pedal steel was set up that way, and it's easier on the ankles for me.
do what works for you.
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Bill Fulbright
From:
Atlanta, GA
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Posted 1 Dec 2002 4:07 pm
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I was playing a friend's U12 tonight, and he has the ABC setup. It seems more awkward than the CBA to me. Maybe it was how the knee levers were too.
I can play it, but it takes some rethinking.
I can read a tab and compensate for the pedal switch. I may end up sticking with the Day setup that is already on this guitar....
NOW, if I buy another, AND still have this one... now we have a whole new set of possibilities!!! Now just help me understand the method used to convince your wives that TWO pedal steels are completely necessary?
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Bill Fulbright
Mullen D-10 8x5; Gibson ES-165; Peavey Vegas 400;
ICQ# 2251620 My Music Site2100 SolutionsMy IT Consulting site
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