Eagles?

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 10 Jun 2002 7:52 pm

All of which only proves that if you can remember the 60's, then you weren't there.

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 10 Jun 2002 8:50 pm

The next time I can't remember what I was doing in Southern California in the 70s, I'll just ask Jason ... "odds" are he'll know!

Steven Knapper · Post by **Steven Knapper** » 10 Jun 2002 9:50 pm

I can remember the 60's sorta, it's the 70's I got a problem with.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 11 Jun 2002 1:33 am

"Poco and the Buffalo Springfield, Rick Nelson's Stone Canyon Band, etc, etc all figure in this story one way or another"

Quite true , leaving out the Stone Canyon Band at inception. . According to Richie Furay, Glenn was hanging out at the earliest POCO ( former POGO) rehearsals which would have been around 68 or so maybe earlier. It is understood that the last Buffallo Springfield album ( Last Time Around) is actually the first Poco album as Furay and Messina did almost the whole thing themselves and brought Rusty Young in from Denver along with George Grantham . Randy Meisener was the first real POCO bass player. Back to Glenn, according to Richie, Glenn hung out and was big time influenced by the high three part harmonies that POCO was famous for. Meisner left the band during the first POGO sessions which were for the Pickin Up the Pieces album.. Messina finished the album on Bass and then came along Timothy B. Schmidt.. .. and the rest falls into the history catagory.. It's really quite amazing that after all those band line-ups the Eagles ended up with the premier group . I do believe though that if it had not been for Linda Ronstadt's earliest involvment with the Eagles and her early success there probably would not have been any Eagles at all or at least not the eagles as we know them today.
great posts by Herb and Jason. great history here..

See what you've done here George !!
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Jim West · Post by **Jim West** » 11 Jun 2002 6:13 am

"Despite the fact that I'm a harsh critic of the post-Meisner Eagles and not a big fan of Joe Walsh"

I have heard that because of Joe Walsh's drinking problem prior to involving him in the "Hell Freezes Over" tour that the management made him go to rehab and contractually handcuffed him that if he even looked at a bottle he was fired summarily and could be sued for production costs. They even went as far as to have a backup for him in case he fell off the wagon.

I guess Joe figured the financial rewards of a reunion tour were greater than his habit.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 11 Jun 2002 6:29 am

There's a lot of good history here, some GREAT posts by Jason and Herb(considering the time-frame, you gotta admire anybody named Herb!)----And just think, it's all because Don Felder didn't use picks.....

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 11 Jun 2002 8:14 am

Aw shucks, really.

I couldn't resist jumping in on the topic after Herb's recall session, phew that was a good one it really got my mind working.

Tony Prior, I'm a real big fan of the first Poco album (with full respect to latter recordings, there was plenty for cool stuff put out by the various versions of the group), and despite the fact that Randy had already left and didn't get in the band shot, he was a very important part of that group's sound.
I love Rick Nelson and the Stone Canyon Band, it's a shame there aren't more live recordings from the 1969-1972 era group.

I like to listen to Rick Nelson's 'Garden Party' LP from 1972 back to back with the Eagle's 1972 debut album, although Randy Meisner had left Rick before the 'Garden Party' LP was recorded, his style ans influence on the group was strong, plus they even cut a song that Randy had co-wrote before he left.
Both albums range from ballads to outright rockers that lean towards glam rock as much as roots rock. (Rick does an awesome version of Chuck Berry's "Talkin' Bout You"), and both albums have a couple of strange numbers, and in another link, the Eagles cut a Dillard & Clark tune on their debut via Bernie Leadon who originally co-wrote it.

On a side note, a good chunk of Waylon Jennings'1970 album 'Singer Of Sad Songs' (RCA Victor LSP 4418); was recorded: Dec.17-19/1969, at RCA's Music Center, Hollywood with Lee Hazelwood producing.
The session crew included Hazelwood's Arizona sidekick Donnie Owens (who was not only a recording artist in his own right, but had played some rhythm guitar on the International Submarine Band's 1968 sole LP, a band that was Gram Parson's outfit before he defected to the Byrds), as well as forumites Carl Walden and Boomer Castleman with ex-Cricket Sonny Curtis with Randy Meisner and Allen Kemp, the rhythm section of Rick Nelson's Stone Canyon Band.

That just popped into my head and I had to mention it with Boomer and Meisner's names popping up here.

Earnest, "if you can remember the 60's, then you weren't there," too true!
E.B, Larry, Herb, everyone, thanks.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 11 Jun 2002 1:03 pm

WOW!!

Jason, I'd like to know more about you. Do you play steel? What is your history? You are amazing.

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 11 Jun 2002 1:31 pm

Jason, yipes ! You have got it down ...I have always loved this topic and most likely always will. You need to do a book on this subject alone..

I too have been mainly a Springfield and Poco fan first and then onto Rick Nelsons groups and the Eagles blah blah blah after that.. I still sing and play vintage Rick Nelson ( Ozzie and Harriet ) songs with the bands I have played with. It was good to see Randy Meisner with the Poco "Legacy" reunion CD , he was a major influence to each of the bands he was with. It's a shame he didn't end up at the top rung of the ladder like some of the others.

write that book...
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Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 11 Jun 2002 1:37 pm

Incidentally, Ken Bloom (who's been my friend and musical compadre at least as long as Mike Perlowin, so we're talking 40+ years) now lives in North Carolina with his wife Ginny, where he makes banjos and other obscure instruments

, and is a Civil War re-enactor.

Civil War re-enactor?! I believe that job pays even less than being a steel player!

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John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 11 Jun 2002 3:21 pm

There is a good book by John Einarson called "Desperados" that covers the early scene very well. He also did a great Neil Young biography, as well as a co-write with Richie Furay called "For What It's Worth--The Story of the Buffalo Springfield". I think you can get Desperados at Amazon for under $15.00.

When I co-produced Richie's last CD and toured with him, I got to hear some great stories about those early days...

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 11 Jun 2002 3:41 pm

Herb, I do believe that Mickey McGee (ex-Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, Goose Creek Symphony, FBBs drummer) also works as a Civil War re-enactor.
You have to supply all your own gear as I understand it, that's a lot of work maintaining all that clothing and weapons.

Sigh, yeah I know about the Desparados book, kind of cuts into what I've been working on, but what can you do?
I's a good thing I'm not doing a book on that subject alone, by the way... another Australian writer is getting his Gram Parsons bio published, it should be a lot more comprehensive than the last one.

Steve Feldman · Post by **Steve Feldman** » 11 Jun 2002 3:55 pm

Cool post Jason!!! You are unbelievable!!

Jason, you any kin to Kay Kiser?

GaryL · Post by **GaryL** » 11 Jun 2002 4:06 pm

Great thread. Herb mentioned John Boylan. I have before me a copy of the LP "Suite Steel" which , acording to the credits on the record, he arranged and produced.

Also, I remember a couple of fine LP's by Uncle Jim's Music (Jim Ed Norman) that had some nice steel work. Anyone remember them?

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 11 Jun 2002 4:52 pm

The group had a slow, but steady rise (unlike many who are "overnight sensations"). Their first record "Take It Easy", reached #12 on the charts. Their second, "Witchy Woman", crept on up to #9. Their third record "Peaceful Easy Feelin", only reached #22 on the charts, and their fourth outing "Desparado" never made it higher than #41. In late '73, "Tequila Sunrise" makes it only to #64, while "Outlaw Man" does only a little better, at #59. In '74, the single "Already Gone", climbs to #32, while the parent album "On The Border" makes it all the way up to the #17 slot. It's not until March, '75, that "Best Of My Love" gives them a number-one hit, and then it's only for a week.

After that? Well, let's just say they stayed an awfully strong influence for a lotta years.

Despite what some purists may say, I agree with John Q. Public..."Hotel California" was their best song.[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 11 June 2002 at 05:55 PM.]

Ted Nesbitt · Post by **Ted Nesbitt** » 12 Jun 2002 1:13 pm

Hi George,
You sure know how to get things going. By the way The Eagles were in Belfast N. Ireland this time last year. What a SUPER BAND, they gotta win the award for THE BEST BAND OF ALL TIME. I,m of to Spain in the morning for 8 days, talk to you when I return.
Ted

Dennis Olearchik · Post by **Dennis Olearchik** » 13 Jun 2002 5:47 pm

Anyone know why J.D. Souther never joined the Eagles (even though he co-wrote some of their songs, could play several instruments and was as good or better a singer than Frey & Henley)?

Brendan Mitchell · Post by **Brendan Mitchell** » 14 Jun 2002 1:41 am

I saw the eagles in London round 71 72. They were the support act for Neil Young who did his "Tonight's the night" show.That show did not go down well with the music press but I thought it was great,very funny.Anyway the Eagles were really good Bernie Leadon was still there and they performed their first album and then the Desperado album which they had only just finished recording.It was good.At the time I was right into Poco and Mannassas and CSN&Y etc. and I thought these guys {Eagles} just had it all.And I agree the steel playing was not a patch on Gerry Garcia's .I recorded Mannassas off the tv on a show called TV Special that I played till it fell apart.Al Perkins on that.These were great times music wise for me,thanks for reminding me.
Regards Brendan

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 14 Jun 2002 3:10 pm

Al Perkins played on some of the early Eagles material.
That U.K. tour would have been 1972.

George McLellan · Post by **George McLellan** » 15 Jun 2002 12:25 pm

I've been in South Carolina for the past week so I was off line. My thanks to all of you that have added to this thread and given so much information.

Ted, Deb wants to know when you and Bernie coming back again?

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