Road steeler vs. Session steeler Pt. 2

Earl Erb · Post by **Earl Erb** » 11 Jul 2001 10:16 am

Thank you Dr. Laura...who ever you are.

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 11 Jul 2001 12:50 pm

John Rocker is a perfect example of what happens to cronic complainers.

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 11 Jul 2001 1:04 pm

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Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 11 Jul 2001 1:54 pm

The real deal is , and you all know it too, we all really do like eachother very much. No matter how much you see me pick on Paul, Dan, Mike W., Les C. Slick,Retcop,and many others, I'll be there to help if they ever need it. There is NO hate that I'm aware of on this "brotherhood" forum.
Put two guys that think they hate eachother in a room for 15 min. and they'll come out laughing and be good buddys.All except for Tom Mortison, just kidding,I'm sure he would be OK too.( with a little understanding).
SOOOOOOOO! everyone be happy and don't take everything so seriously, I never do !(much). Bobbe

Earl Erb · Post by **Earl Erb** » 11 Jul 2001 2:16 pm

Hey Jody,just one of the best dam guitar players that ever hit the streets of Nashville.

I've been on this forum for almost two years and you have to ask?

[This message was edited by Earl Erb on 11 July 2001 at 03:22 PM.]

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 11 Jul 2001 2:23 pm

Earl Erb · Post by **Earl Erb** » 11 Jul 2001 2:40 pm

Hey Jody...
At least Bobbe gives a hard time...he won't even talk to me.

If Dr.Laura does play steel she probably bought her's at the "Physco Babble Look How Wonderful I Am Steel Guitar Company"

Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 11 Jul 2001 2:41 pm

Hey Everyone, After reading this post by Paul along with the previous post on the same subject and also reading Bruce's post I feel the need to say something here. Of course it is just my opinion and it's not worth anything to anyone except me. But here it is anyway. There are many,many steel players in Nashville including me that would like to be doing more session work than we are and we sometimes get down about it and it's easy to find blame whether it be at someone else or the circumstance for the reason for not getting the calls. From my own experience I have a few acounts that will call me 90% of the time they work but sometimes they either don't use steel or they want to spread the work out so someone else will have some work. I don't have a problem with that and if the other guy gets the acount although I wont be happy I'm not going to see it as the end of the world. Unlike the vast majority of players here I am lucky to have a steady year round set down job and although there are things about it that I don't like I thank God each day for it. I feel that no matter what venue you are working in whether it be the Opry, recording master sessions, working the road with a label act, doing demos, or and yes working a night club be happy you are doing what God gave you the tallent to do. You never know what may be on the horizon so do your best and make the best of what you have. If you are given lemons make lemonade and don't cry about the lemons being sour. Noone said life was fair and everything is rosy and great. I just hope that the fellows in drivers seat now don't ever lose sight of where they came from. I haven't talked to Paul personally in a long while but when he used to come into a club I used to work in here we had great conversations and I respect him as a player and a man. I know it wasn't handed to him and he has worked very hard but as he said he got into sessions by knowing people and that means he knew them on a positive basis. So the people skills are basicly be as nice as you can because you never know what may happen from some association with a now nobody. Just remember it's not just steel players that face this problem. I've said too much. Thanks and God bless, Mike Sweeney

slick · Post by **slick** » 11 Jul 2001 2:57 pm

Music touches feelings that words cannot.

Slick Wayne

James Smith · Post by **James Smith** » 11 Jul 2001 3:35 pm

I know this is a dumb question, and I'll catch flack for it but, Does session work pay more that working as a road musician ? If so, How much more ? Is it easier ? Are the working conditions better ? Or , Is it just that it has more honor attached to it? I was at Fan Fair this year and saw several Steel Players at various locations. Some of this work is outside in the heat and rain, etc.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 11 Jul 2001 4:03 pm

If I had to guess (and that's all it is...a dumb guess!), I'd say a high-end road player could make $40,000 to $80,000 a year. A good session player...just add another zero! Session players are said to have it best. No travel, no uniforms, no sleeping and riding the bus all the time, and no lost or damaged gear. Also, age and appearance aren't as important in the studio. No top young singer wants a 50+ year-old musician in their road band, but there's been a lot of 'em in the studio.

slick · Post by **slick** » 11 Jul 2001 5:13 pm

Paul's post so far has had 112 replies,only one from him.Several were mine in a failed
attempt to be funny.I dont know Paul but ill
bet ya that he never intended his post to create a book on how to bitch,i could be wrong but i doubt it.Did ya Paul???Puncuation
smuncuation who cares?Im not really surprised
that he doesnt post here a lot.Every time Paul or Buddy post something here a lot of you guys start kissin ass or badmouthing somebody.I have never done any recording,
never played in a road band but i know ass kissin and badmouthin when i see it.Theres a lot of that going on here.

Slick Wayne

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 11 Jul 2001 5:19 pm

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Peter Dollard · Post by **Peter Dollard** » 11 Jul 2001 5:31 pm

The only reason I am responding is Paul's reference to not playing golf or whatever to become successful. The first place I heard that idea was from an interview with Bobby Black after he returned from Nashville in the late seventies. Maybe it was in Guitar Player but they asked him about his studio experience and he said something about Pete Drake telling him to be more sociable out of studio with the other musicians. Since then I have heard the "Golf" reference many times in many versions. Maybe someone could look it up....P.D

slick · Post by **slick** » 11 Jul 2001 5:50 pm

Sorry Jody i didnt mean to use that word badmouthing,just got carried away for a moment.

Slick Wayne

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 11 Jul 2001 7:25 pm

Slick, what do you mean, attempt at being funny? You are hillarious, as are many others. Jody, Retcop, Les Campbell,Wierach,you know who you are, this is a funny, funny place. And slightly educational, every couple months! Is this a great forum or what!
Bobbe-----(yes Earl Erb, I think your the greatest guitar player in the world,but then theres Greg Galbreath and, and and,just kidding Earl,Youv'e been at the top my
play list for 32 years!)
Bobbeeeeeeeee

Earl Erb · Post by **Earl Erb** » 11 Jul 2001 7:45 pm

Thanks Bobbe....I thought that comment would get your attention. Take care.

Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 12 Jul 2001 4:13 am

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John Floyd · Post by **John Floyd** » 12 Jul 2001 4:54 am

Hey Jody,just one of the best dam guitar players that ever hit the streets of Nashville. I've been on this forum for almost two years and you have to ask?

Earl
You can only make nickels, Dimes and quarters on the streets of Nashburg.
(From Prior Experience)

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Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 12 Jul 2001 5:44 am

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Paul Graupp · Post by **Paul Graupp** » 12 Jul 2001 6:18 am

Dang it !! I'm still trying to learn Money, Marbles and Chalk ! No wonder I'm not in the big time yet and just when I've finished You Are My Sunshine too... Oh well, maybe next year. Or if I got my hat back...

Regards, Paul

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Jody Carver · Post by **Jody Carver** » 12 Jul 2001 6:26 am

Hi Paul Thank for the nice things you sent,