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Joel Newman

 

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Smithsburg, Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 11:26 am    
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Ok so I have nuthin’ but questions . . . see I was given this guitar, (whoa! I feel really lucky), and in my limited/newbie experience, I’ve determined, (from reading previous threads on here), that it might be a prewar Bakelite rickenbacher (serial# C805?? hard to see . . ) Unfortunately it’s a bit of a chop shop. When I get the moo-laa I’ll avail myself of Mr. Lollar and Mr. Aiello’s services. The input jack is facing the player. The metal plates on front are chromed brass, (I did the magnet test); there was no newspaper underneath so dating that way was a bust, (Howard, please no dating/toilet training puppy jokes here . . . ruk-ruk!) I need someone to host my pics of it, if they might be so kind . . .any verification or info is so very appreciated, so anyway here goes;

1. Is it prewar, (how do I get the specific year)?
2. Are the tuners original? (They suck!)
3. Is that the original positioning of the vol./tone pots?
4. When I do get the bread to replace the horseshoe pick up, will there be screw hole scars from that goofy lil pick guard?
5. Not knowing much about Horseshoe pick ups, is it very difficult to install the pickup myself? (I’ve changed pick ups in Strats)?
6. What’s the best cleaner for Bakelite again?
7. Will it “moan”? (Or will I for asking? Is this akin to the Eddie Van Halen “brown” sound?)
8. I’m not a collector, I aspire to be a player, so looks are not as important to me as functionality, for instance the chrome is kind of tarnished and dinged in places, that being said, does it have a chance at being restored to playable condition? (It actually sounds pretty good with that Jackson pick up even though whoever installed it didn’t quite center the pole pieces under the strings, I would like to hope that the horseshoe pick up would be less ‘bright’)
9. Is it better to use a lighter gauge string to put less stress on the neck of a vintage guitar? I guess I’m worried about the ‘brittleness’ factor of the Bakelite, anyone ever heard of a neck snapping due to string tension?

Ok, that’s enough for now. As always thanks in advance for any and all help with this project I’ve inherited. Without question everything I’ve learned about steel guitar is due to this forum. I believe it to be an amazing resource. I just wish it wasn’t so addicting . . . .
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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 11:57 am    
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1. Yes ... players side jack. Can't tell the year .

5. Nope

6. Mild soap and water ... then some plastic rouge with a buffer

7. It will groan

8. Sure.

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I would like to hope that the horseshoe pick up would be less ‘bright’


Horseshoe pickups are quite bright ...

9. No, some guys use an 0.018 for the hi E ...

Send me a picture (500 pixels) and I'll post it ... and try and answer the other questions.


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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 12:22 pm    
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Here's one I built from "scratch" ...



The body & neck I got from forum member Tighe Falato ... volume only ... players side jack ... circa '35-'36.

The plates were rusty, white painted ones ... from a "trashed" body (only) I got from ebay. I nickel plated them.

I took the tuners from my Academy ... cause it needed 3-on-strip. Replaced the Academy's with Grover Vintage Sta-Tites.

I cast the knobs. And thats our pickup.

Its every bit as "sound" as my originals (actually better).


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Joel Newman

 

From:
Smithsburg, Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 12:28 pm    
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Whoa! I can only dream of getting mine to look like that!
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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 12:48 pm    
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2) Yes ... and they are pretty rare ...

3) Well ... it does appear that they added a knob ... cause it looks very high in the upper left section of that plate ... ???

That would make it a '35-'36 volume only ... the best of the best.

4) Yes ... but they can easily be hidden ... no biggie there.

You were given this guitar ... ... a very nice gift

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Joel Newman

 

From:
Smithsburg, Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 1:02 pm    
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Hey it's the one man steel guitar forum. Wow Thanks for the info! Rick Aiello for prez!
By the by I truly enjoy/learn from reading your posts and seeing picture of all your creations! Thanks again!
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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 1:10 pm    
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How is the neck shaped ... does the backside run straight from the body to the headstock ...

Or does it come outta the body ... and make a "cut in" ... like a spanish guitar.

The "cut ins" are more fragile ... but they are the oldest ones ... when the bakelite was real brittle (but sounded the best).

Sorry to "hog" this post ... but my babies are all nappin' at the same time (rare) ...

Hey ... think I'll grab one too (a nap that is).

PS: Myersville ... thats just up the road from here ...

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Joel Newman

 

From:
Smithsburg, Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 1:18 pm    
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wow, I didn't know about the neck thing, yes mine cuts in. Maybe I have a 'moaner' after all . . . No I don't know any steelers anywhere actually let alone in the land o' marys. I did see a great pedal steel show recently over by your way in vienna va. seems the mid atlantic region is a little void of lap players?
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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 3:55 pm    
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One of the best Hawaiian Steel Players ... period ... lives right down the road from you ...

The Hula Monster

Maybe in early spring ... I'll put together a "Hula Fest" ... kinda a woodstock for Hawaiian steel guitarists.

Hmmmm ...
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Andy Sandoval


From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 6:40 pm    
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Hey Rick what do you think of this one?..is it priced a tad high?
click here

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Rick Aiello


From:
Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 7:34 pm    
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Yep ...

More chicken heads and missin' logo
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Joel Newman

 

From:
Smithsburg, Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 17 Feb 2005 7:53 am    
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Hey Rick I'm down for the 'Hula Fest'! Just say when . . .I'm not the greatest steeler yet so It'd be a learning experience for me, but I play regular guit. and bass. You've got the chart, I've got the heart. . .
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