Los Angeles Hilton vol pdl user wanted

John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 17 May 2006 7:04 am

Be sure you use the "full frequency input" on the LDR2.

Some of the very early LDR's did have a problem in direct sunlight but that was rectified in the later models before the release of the LDR2's.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 17 May 2006 9:58 am

I've been selling and playing both for several years, BOTH are excellent, period.
I also know of other players that own both with no preference. If you don't have one or the other, you need a volumepedal, that's for sure!
Ya' jes gotta'have one or the other!

Bobbe

Post by **Joey Ace** » 17 May 2006 1:54 pm

That's what I thought, Bobbe.

If both are noiseless and add no coloration to the sound, how could they be different?

Different cases, that's a personal preference.
Different innards, that's something we don't need to see.

Al Brisco · Post by **Al Brisco** » 17 May 2006 4:17 pm

As I retailer of both, I find virtually no difference between the pedals when using the 'Full Frequency Input' of the Goodrich LDR2.
The Goodrich also has a 'Normal' input jack which comes with a more mellow tone setting from the factory, (great for hawaiian type tone), but which can also be modified with the adjustable tone pot on the bottom of the pedal.
Also, the Goodrich LDR2 pedal comes with a de-tachable AC adaptor (Wall Wart), whereas the Hilton is hard-wired.
Both are great volume pedals!
Al Brisco
Steel Guitars of Canada

John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 17 May 2006 8:27 pm

Thanks for all the feedback and info, everyone. I fully expect both pedals to be excellent, I've always loved Goodrich, just not thrilled with scratchy pots. Per Tom Bradshaw's request, I'm even going to throw into the test one or two Goodriches he has using the Dunlop pot, which he says has been trouble-free for all customers who have been using it.

Bobbe, you're right about my needing a new pedal, it'll be one of these...maybe even both!

John Fabian, Bradshaw also confirmed that the sunlight problem was rectified long ago, thanks for helping clear that up. I can't imagine Goodrich not correcting ANY problem of any kind on their products, they're really good about that.

This little project is turning into my life's work, sheesh!

I'm real curious to see if I hear the string separation and improved low end that my buddy Mike Fried mentioned higher up in this thread.

Post by **Joey Ace** » 18 May 2006 5:26 am

All other things being equal, service after the sale is a very strong consideration.

If unsuspected problems are found, do the builders offer corrections/retrofits, or do they want you to purchase new models?

How do the warrenties compare?

Mark Herrick · Post by **Mark Herrick** » 18 May 2006 5:59 pm

Is that the Los Angeles Hilton LAX or the Los Angeles Hilton downtown?

John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 20 May 2006 9:05 am

Mark, you've been to my studio, you should know that I'm referring to the luxurious San Pedro Hilton!

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John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 22 May 2006 8:30 am

Preliminary testing with my lab colleagues is done, but I'm doing some further testing, adding other pedals in my inventory to the tests, running all dry, then through PodXT, doing about anything that merits a test. Should have final summary posted later in the week.

I can tell you that both the Goodrich LDR2 and Hilton did sound excellent. But it's also surprising how close a pot pedal can get under certain conditions.

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John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 29 May 2006 9:12 pm

Still doing final tests and compiling a short summary of evaluations. Give me a few more days, I've been a bit busy.

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Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 30 May 2006 1:07 pm

Another plus for the Goodrich LDR2 for those of us who live outside the US, or who travel a bit...the power supply is an international version..IE: it is compatible with both 110-115V and 230-240V. I understand that at this stage that the Hilton is only available in 115v ?

John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 30 May 2006 8:49 pm

Yes, Paddy, that's certainly in the plus column for the Goodrich. The AC wall wart has a slot for multiple inserts, so apparently this can be at home around the world. I don't know whether Hilton has the same versatility, I've never heard that it has. Any experts out there want to chime in?

Post by **Joey Ace** » 2 Jun 2006 10:57 am

The Hilton pedal requires a $20 transformer to work with European voltages, according to Keith
Hilton in this post: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum11/HTML/007091.html

Wilbur Keeton · Post by **Wilbur Keeton** » 14 Jun 2006 1:00 pm

I have used a Hilton pedal for several years now. I never liked the hard wired heavy transformer that is attached to it, nor the actual taper or feel of the pedal travel...too hard to nail the exact volume even after being used to it. And there is a little tone coloration to the the sound, which I got used to, sort of. I decided to try a Goodrich LDR2 pedal. When I got it in, I noticed a definite sound change.....the very sound I always looked for.....very clean, bright, and solid....even other pickers say is sounds much better. But the main thing to me is the ease of feeling the volume in, that I want, and voicing an individual note....and I ain't even used to the pedal yet!! And I no longer have to worry about bending the power wire too much, because it detaches the way it should. I like the Hilton, but the LDR2 has it hands down, for me.

John McClung · Post by **John McClung** » 27 Jun 2006 9:04 pm

Is anyone using Keith Hilton's digital sustain unit along with his volume pedal? There's a significant difference in usable gain between the Hilton and the Goodrich LDR2, I'm thinking that the sustain unit might bring that factor into parity.

Sorry this evaluation is taking so ding dang long, gang: I keep thinking of new things to try. Both are excellent pedals, though, that's the bottom line. More details one of these days.

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