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Topic: Steel Players Who Also Play Electric Guitar |
Billy Henderson
From:
Portland, AR, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:12 am |
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| When you play steel and e/guitar on the same gig do you play through the same amp (Nashville 400) or do you have a different amp and set up? Thanks |
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Chuck McGill
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An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:17 am
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Billy I'm laboring over that same problem now. I have a set-up with an a-b box on the
output of my Mesa studio pre for steel and
a Boss ME-50 pedal into a PX 300 peavey powered 15BW. It still lacks for the guitar
side. I really don't want to carry 2 amps.
If you get something that works let me know. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:49 am
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Yeah I do the one rig/A+B box/six string on my lap thing too. It works fairly well although a dedicated tube amp for guitar would be more satisfying. I use a ProfexI with a remote midi program changer to switch quickly between steel patches and guitar patches. It took me awhile to dial everything in, but now it comes pretty easily. I use a Boss active A+B box that has a seperate gain control for each side. It kind've works like a "matchbox" when placed between the 2 instruments and my volume pedal.
The big trick was learning to play guitar with fingerpicks and sometimes steel with a flat pick. |
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Ernie Renn
From:
Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:08 am
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I do both thru the same set-up. Simply I just unplug the cord from the steel and plug it in the guitar. I tried an a/b box, but the cord always got in the way, especially for a quick transition. We don't do set lists so from time to time I can jump around quite a bit. Saving grace is that most of the guitar playing I do is from the pac-a-seat-ed position.
For the tonal differences, I have different settings on a DigiTech 2112. For quick fixes I use an old MXR 6-band graphic equalizer on the steel, too. It's worked just fine since 1981.
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My best,
Ernie
www.buddyemmons.com |
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Ron Sodos
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:22 am
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| I play both. I use to use a Session 400 now I have a Nashville 1000. The way I have always set up is I set the tone on the amp for steel. I go through a graphic eq on the guitar before an A/B switch. So I can redo the tone for the guitar. That way I have the tone set seperately for each instrument. It simulates 2 sepearate channels that way. Works great. I need to do it that way because the only time I play guitar is on rock and blues tunes and the tone is totally different for guitar and steel. |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:22 am
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yep .. I play about 50 50 guitar and steel and for me the line 6 flextone 3 which is a sterio amp is the answere. I have the main amp with a celestion 12"
and a seperate cab with a JBL 15' from the 60's reconed. This combination and a boss AB pedal does the trick just fine.
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Mullen S12
Acoustic 165 100W tube
71 Tele, Regal 45, Gretch
Lap, Columbia Lap, Magnatone S8, Line 6 flextone 3, JBL d130, |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:35 am
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I run my steel and guitar to a DOD 270 A/B box, then the output goes to a Brad Sarno Steel Guitar Black Box, then to the V-ped, then to the effects, then stereo to 2 amps.
I have my effects tailored to suit either steel or guitar. Both amps I currently use are single channel amps. |
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Buddy Griffin
From:
Derwood, Maryland, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 8:24 am
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| I have tried many combinations to solve this problem. The best sound for me for both steel and guitar has been using a Session 400 for steel and a tube type guitar amp for guitar. Both guitar and steel first go into the right and left inputs of an Alesis Quadraverb. This is a true stereo input and output box meaning the steel (right) channel feeds a combined "wet and dry" (right ch) output to the Session 400 and a "wet only" (left ch) output to the guitar amp. It is just the opposite for the guitar (left channel). The advantages are you can control the amount of the wet amp sound simply by turning the amp's volume up or down to get the right amount of effect for any given room, you can switch from steel to guitar in mid phrase without hitting any switches and you cannot beat the big fat stereo effect of one amp completely wet and the other mixed. The disadvantage is carrying all that stupid equipment. If anyone knows of a similar but simpler setup please let me know |
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:40 am
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| Two guitars...two amps. Six string through Peavey Classic 30 tube amp and steel through Peavey Nashville 400 or 1000. And...every year at physical time, my doctor asks me how I stay in such great shape! I'm 60. |
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Billy Henderson
From:
Portland, AR, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:45 am
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| I am going to try a compressor and delay through the lower input on the Nashville 400 and leave the steel in the top hole. That is still lots of "stuff" to have around. I have tried a longer cord from the pedal to steel and just unplug from the steel and plug in my guitar as Ernie does. Lots easier and don't sound too bad and I can sit or stand. I must say though I don't get that just right, satisfying sound. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:47 am
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Over the years, I too tried many combinations for both guitar and steel. A Lab with a 15", a Vegas, a Showman built into a 15" combo cab with a rack. Nothing seemed to be satisfactory. If I got the steel to sound good, the guitar just wouldn't sound up to my standard. I finally resolved myself to taking two amps. An old Vibroverb 15 for steel, and a tweed Pro for guitar. We miked everything, so the VV's lack of headroom wasn't a problem, and it sure sounds great for steel. The old Pro has a sub-baffle-board with a Scorpion Plus 12" speaker. It has always sounded terrific for guitar. Of course, I could never leave any of that stuff in a club overnight, so the moving was a pain. Got a dolly.
Good luck, JB[This message was edited by John Billings on 18 June 2004 at 11:48 AM.] |
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Frank Estes
From:
Huntsville, AL
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 10:30 am
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Nashville 112 for steel
Reverend Hellhound tube for the Strat.
They're both small and light weight!
The Nash.112 goes XLR to the PA for extra oomph if needed. The Hellhound has 60watts tube - no prob. with vol. in any room.
Also, I like having two amps just in case
one happens to fail.
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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Cal Sharp
From:
the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 10:53 am
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I saw a band in Indianapolis where the steel player doubled on drums. Had a drum machine when he was on steel. Just when you think you've seen everything... At least he didn't have to worry about plugging in the drums.
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Cal's Corral
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 11:07 am
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| Moved to Electronics |
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Ben Slaughter
From:
Madera, California
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 11:26 am
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Here's what I've been doing lately, with good success, I might add.
Tubefex for PSG into the top input of NV400, PODPro 2.0 fot Tele into the bottom input. Volume pedal in the FX loop of the NV400. I think the key to this has been that I've set the EQ on the NV400 flat and turned off the reverb; thus, the EQ and verb settings are controlled from the FX units. Very quiet, and I'm getting good tone from both the tele and the Zum.
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Ben
Zum D10, NV400, POD, G&L Guitars, etc, etc.[This message was edited by Ben Slaughter on 18 June 2004 at 12:27 PM.] |
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Tim Whitlock
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 11:55 am
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| I wonder if that's why they put two channels on a Twin Reverb. Steel in one and guitar in the other. KISS. |
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Leslie Ehrlich
From:
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 2:55 pm
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| I'm an electric guitarist that also plays pedal steel. If I bring steel to a gig, I hook both up to an A/B box and run them through the same amp. I use a Fender Roc Pro 1000 combo, and I play both guitars with distortion most of the time. As of late I've been messing around with an Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man echo unit, and combined with amp distortion it gives the steel a much thicker sustaining tone. I play rock 'n' roll, so getting a really good 'clean' sound is not an issue for me. |
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Fred Amendola
From:
Lancaster, Pa.
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:23 pm
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yes, I double on steel and guitar. If I'm just playing steel, say at a jam, then I play straight into an old session 400. When doubling I use the 2x12 Renown, set as clean as I can get. Then I use an A/B box and a Digitech GNX 2, to get clean steel, and overdriven guitar. Used an RP 20 before that, but the GNX line by Digitech is amazing and very user friendly. I've been pretty happy with this setup, and it beats hauling two rigs.
Fred
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Rex Thomas
From:
Thompson's Station, TN
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:49 pm
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 10:31 pm
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I have a Peavey TransFex Pro 212 stereo, and play 4 things into it through a tiny mixer.
It has a TubeFex/Profex built into it, so I can change patches with a midi pedal.
The steel/Hilton, electric guitar w/ midi, 6 string mandolin w/ midi and Roland synth module.
Each has a mixer channel, just individual volumes and a master. No tone controls.
But I have 5 E9 and C6 patches on the midi pedal, and it has an A/B feature, so I hit B and have 5 patches for mandolin or guitar.
I run the acoustic mandolin through a Fishman direct box.
I also have a Tabefex, and that goes in the rack above the synth so I can pick up an amp onsite for a "train gig" and just travel with the rack.
My main issue is needing a steel case that will also hold the Hilton, a guitar and a mandolin, that will go on a train easily.
Mosty of the best gigs are up north and the TGV is fast, but with the european terror threat it is problermatic to move around with a lot of stuff on the 3 hour trains. YOu are no longer alowed to use the luggage racks, sicne you aren't supposed to be apart from your lugage.
So I needed a small VERY flexable system that still gives MY sound.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 18 June 2004 at 11:36 PM.] |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2004 3:26 am
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I run my steel thru a Tubefex and then into the FX loop return and guitar thru a Quadraverb GT and then into the amp's input. I use the amp's foot switch to turn the FX loop off & on and it works great. I use a PV Bandit 112 with a Black Widow.
Tony |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 19 Jun 2004 5:18 am
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Zum D10 - EH150 - Tele - Strat into Hilton VP
VP out 1 ---->>> PV Nash1000 w a little reverb
VP out 2 ---->>> DTR1 tuner -> Lex MPX1 effects --> Yamaha 12/4 console --> Crown 460 CSL amp --> 2 Peavey Euro6 3way cabinets
i've got enough to mess w: combinations so i do manage to get a righteous sound
(i do have to raise the volume level when switchin' from Steel to Guitbox)
i gotta get an A/B Box and one of Brad's BB[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 19 June 2004 at 06:19 AM.] |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2004 10:07 am
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ZB or Emmons p/p AND Fender Strat into Black Box into PODxt into Fender Twin or whatever steel amp. For steel the PODxt is only for effects. For Strat, the PODxt also uses the amp modeling with no cabinet emulation. Works like a charm. The volume pedal allows silent swapping from steel to strat. The tuner works great. Basically set the steel amp for a good steel tone and then for guitar, get a good amp model dialed in. The PODxt is a fantastic effects unit, regardless of its amp modeling features.
Brad Sarno
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 19 Jun 2004 12:56 pm
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On the gigs where I know there is enough room I bring 2 amps.
On the normal gigs, if there is such a thing, I use a Fender Hot Rod Deville with 2x12's and a Morley AB pedal, and plug the Tele and Steel into that little contraption. ($50)
I have found that the amp EQ is pretty consistent with my Telecaster and the volume and clarity are just fine, maybe a bit on the bright side though.
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