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Topic: Peavey BW in a Twin ? |
CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 4:15 pm |
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has anyone put a Black Widow spkr in a Twin ?
i'm thinking of taking the 12" K120s out and replace it w: a 15"
Shallow Basket or the other Basket ?
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 5:24 pm
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I've got a BW 1501-4 in my '69 Twin Reverb. Love it! I liked the JBL D-130 too but the BW had a more punchy and clean quality to it in this setup. I think it's a perfect setup.
Brad Sarno
'66, '69 Emmons / '69 Twin w/BW |
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 5:26 pm
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| Salut Crowbear!, Envoye une message a Sylvain Vallieres. Il est en train de faire ca avec son twin. It's a tough job to do, because the baffle is part of the cabinet. Bonne Annee! |
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Ken Fox
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Nashville GA USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 5:44 pm
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| Well that's true after the Blackface era, or a hair later. It is possible the late sixities Silverface had a similar cabinet, how about your 1969 Brad??? The Silverface era baffles were part of the cab and it is a tough job. Hopefully he has a Blackface with the older style, removeable baffle. You can have one of those made with a 15" opening and covered in "aged" cloth at Mojotone. You might have to be careful with the speaker mounting scheme, so as not to run into the output transformer (set it up just like the newer Vibrasonic baffle). That is a problem I have had to overcome with the Vibroverb clones I have built. The 1501-4SB sounds awesome in a Twin, and is the correct 4 ohm impedance for the amp to boot. [This message was edited by Ken Fox on 30 December 2002 at 05:45 PM.] |
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jim milewski
From:
stowe, vermont
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 6:11 pm
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| bw 1501 4 ohm going in my 85 watt twin reissue later this week, got 4 svetlanas for it too |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 6:23 pm
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| Jim, did they do the removeable baffle on the reissue? Just curious. You got to let us know how it turns out! |
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Dave Birkett
From:
Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 6:30 pm
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| I'm waiting with baited breath also. BTW, who makes good 1X15 cabs? I'm thinking about buying a Dual Showman head. |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 10:13 pm
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Ken, my '69 had the removeable baffle. But my '71 (or '70) Pro had the baffle that's glued into the cabinet. Anyone interested in this mod should check this first. If you've got the grill that is velcroed onto the permanent baffle, then good luck putting a 15" in there. Twins are still cheap if they're silverfaced. The big secret is that the '68 and '69 are just as good as the earlier blackface models but are half the price. Oops, I said too much.
Brad Sarno |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2002 10:16 pm
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Dave, that's the ticket! Get a Dual Showman REVERB head. It's a twin with no speakers essentially. More portable and the cabinet is a separate issue. Someday my rig will be a Dual Showman Reverb head, circa '68, and two open back 1-15" 8 ohm cabinets sized about like a Nashville 1000 each. This will give the amp a 4 ohm load into two 15" speakers. Ahhh, I can hear it now.
Brad Sarno
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 1:36 am
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Thanx for the replies guys.
keep 'em comin'
Merci et Bonne Année a vous tous
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Steel what?
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Michael T. Hermsmeyer
From:
Branson, Missouri, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 3:14 am
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Here is what I did with my 1969 Fender Dual Showman Reverb.
http://www.wpro1.com/utilitymanproductions/pg4.asp
I designed the taller cabinet so that the 15" speaker could be centered in the grill.
I originally put a vintage Jensen 15" in this cabinet, but soon switched to an Evans Eclipse. I think the Black Widow 1501-4 would sound fine as well. Building the cab myself was a great experience. I did make the baffle board a separate piece so I could swap out a 2-12 board if I wanted. I think 3- 10's would also fit. I love the 15" though.
God Bless,
Michael T.
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UTILITY MAN PRODUCTIONS
'73 EMMONS D10 FATBACK, '92 EMMONS D10 LASHLEY LEGRANDE,
'85 DOBRO 60DS, '95 DOBRO F60S,
'95 MELOBAR CUSTOM, 1955 FENDER TRIPLE NECK STRINGMASTER. EVANS, FENDER, PEAVEY,
and MESA BOOGIE Amps.
[This message was edited by Michael T. Hermsmeyer on 31 December 2002 at 03:18 AM.] |
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sylvainvallieres
From:
saint lin laurentides Québec, Canada
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 7:32 am
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effectivement CrowBear,comme Glenn le dit ce n'est pas facile dépendant de l'année et de la sorte de TwinReverb,dans mon cas j'ai un silverFace et le baffle est encaver et coller,je réflechie encore et je pense me faire un autre boitier complet sinon je coupe le baffle en laissant 1" tout le tour et je vais coller et visser un nouveau "plywood" avec le nouveau speaker qui est effectivement un black Widow 15" a 4ohs 1501 que j'ai commander d'un fournisseur Peavey a Montréal
I try in english now,what I say in french,effectively like my friend Glenn said I got a silverface model and the baffle is groove and glue in the cabinet,I think to made another cabinet or I cut this baffle and let 1" around to fix another one made of plywood with glue and screw on,it's a blackwidow 15" 4 ohs (1501-4)I order at the peavey dealer at Montreal,I let you know when I've finish this project(time to look some T.V.program call the new yankee workshop )BONNE ANNÉE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR |
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Jay Ganz
From:
Out Behind The Barn
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 7:41 am
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Michael,
Man....you did one heckuva job building that
"new" combo! Looks outrageous!!! |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 10:30 am
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Hey Crowbear, try this. Replace one of the D-120s with one of the new Celestion Century speakers. These are great, great sounding speakers and are really light (less than three pounds). This is the setup I use in my favorite cabinet. Sounds killer with my Showman, better than a single 15" JBL or BW, with much more bass response. IMHO mixing speaker types can give you a better result than using single speaker types.
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 12:35 pm
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This guy
http://www.avatarspeakers.com/
makes cabs, loaded or unloaded (I've also heard that he's got good prices on Celestions). He has gotten thumbs-up on another board--Weber, I think. I've been thinking about ordering something.
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Dave Birkett
From:
Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2002 2:16 pm
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Ken and Jon, thanks for the info. I'd like to have the cab be as small as practical, maybe about the size of a Twin minus the height difference of the face plate. With a D130F, should the cab be open backed or closed? Also, is Ebay the only source for D-130Fs?
Aussi, une question pour mes amis francophones: le steel gagne-t-il en popularité dans le monde francophone ? Quand je faisais mes études en France il y a 25 ans, personne n'en parlait et, en fait, on tenait la musique country pour quelque chose pour les crétins. J'espère que cette attitude a changé. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 12:12 am
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Hélas Dave ça n'as pas changé depuis.
les jeunes preferent le Bottleneck.
il y'a quelques Steelers en France mais je les comptent sur les doigts de ma main.
Nous sommes des privilegiés ! |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 12:15 am
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Thanks Dan T.
i had noticed your idea from a previous thread you had posted on. if i get the chance i'll try it.
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 1:21 am
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Crowbear,
I got the idea from my friend Andy Marshall, who runs THD electronics (they make absolutely the best sounding 2X12" cabinet in the world, BTW).
Anyway, Andy made the first '59 Bassman clone', many years ago (THD could be considered the first beautique amp manufacturer). He had a considerable reputation as an amp tech, and he put out the word that if folks sent him their old bassman 4X10" amps, he would tweak them and retube them in exchange for him using them for research. Well, in the dozens of amps that he checked out, the best sounding overall was a Bassman with 4 completely different speakers, A JBL, a Jenson, I don't remember the rest. In terms of the richness of the sound, the complexity, this amp just kicked the others. I have been mixing speaker types for years, and I really appreciate this sort of sound (mixing JBL type speakers and 'lo fi' speakers).
The Celestion Century speakers are very cool, in that they are as efficient as the JBL, and are so light. But swapping any sort of Celestion might give you an interesting sound.
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www.tyack.com
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 9:11 am
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I would think you would want open back, for that Fender sound! Remeber to have the cab built with longer studs to accomidate the thicker frame of a cast speaker.
Ebay is OK. I would not count on any you get not really needing a re-cone. I have bought one for a Vibroverb clone from an ad on Harmony Central. All three I used were pretty tired and I had them all re-coned for 4 ohms, with a generic kit that my re-coner uses. All sounded awesome.
I think the 1501-4 sounds just as good, maybe even better and will handle the wattage. I have the data sheets on the D-130, it was rated at 100 watts continious. The 1501-4SB is rated at 350 watts! |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 2:47 am
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Thanx again for the answers
well the plot sickens :
what about 2 12" BWs in my Twin as replacements for my JBL K120s ?
would the 1203-4 super model be a good choice ? |
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 8:10 am
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| If you like 12" inch speakers, that's the only model they have with the paper voice coil. I have on on the way to me . I am putting in in a Pacer Cabinet with a LTD 400 to push it. I'll let you know how mine sounds. You would want to use two 1203-8 (8 ohm) speakers not two 1203-4 (4 ohm speakers). |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 12:21 pm
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Solid Ken ! 
that's just what i had in mind.
Thanx Man !
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2003 4:44 pm
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| Got the 1203-4 in the amp today. All the bass I would ever need and great tone to boot! What a neat combination this turned out to be. Can't wait to the get the 3 spring tank in it next. Just finished re-covering it in early 1960's Fender brown tolex, matching brown Tolex reverb bag, Fender Maroon cloth, removed the aluminum trims off of the baffle and put black piping (ala Evans) around the grill/baffle. I have a brown leather handle coming from Peavey to put on it. Looks great and sounds just as good as it looks. [This message was edited by Ken Fox on 06 January 2003 at 04:45 PM.] |
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