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Topic: Expand your musical horizons |
Glenn Suchan
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Austin, Texas
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 18 Jul 2006 3:49 pm |
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 That's embarrassing, really. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 18 Jul 2006 6:52 pm
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| The word RAP should NEVER be used in the MUSIC section. |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 18 Jul 2006 8:10 pm
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| I'm with Charles. |
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Dave Boothroyd
From:
Staffordshire Moorlands
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Posted 18 Jul 2006 10:48 pm
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How old was that! I'll bet those kids are grandparents now.
I find that Rap is like a lot of things- country music included- people say they don't like it because they never listen.
The rules are the same for all sorts of music- there are some artists who can do it, and a lot who can't- but they do it anyway.
I often get asked to produce rap tracks, and a good rap is well written, cleverly performed with a well integrated and relevant beat and music track. Mr T delivers his rhyme in a very heavy handed, wooden style. But if you condemn the whole genre because of that stereotype, you are putting yourself in the same ignorant bracket as the people who hate all Country because they once heard DIVORCE and don't like banjo music.
Broaden your mind.
Cheers
Dave |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 19 Jul 2006 12:03 pm
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On so many levels a bad idea realized!  |
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Bob Smith
From:
Allentown, New Jersey, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2006 3:42 pm
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| I always thought guitar wiz Jerry Reed had a helluva way with words. Some of his stuff from way back reminds me of this stuff they call rap.Listen to " The Uptown Poker Club " cut , from "The Esential Jerry Reed "Cd. |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 19 Jul 2006 4:00 pm
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The Bay Area alternative rock/semi-punk/off-the-wall group led by bass maestro Les Claypool, known as Primus, does a great version of Jerry Reed's "Amos Moses."
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Mark
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2006 6:22 pm
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| I'll say it again,rap and music should NEVER,NEVER,NEVER,be mentioned in the same sentence,[Here I am doing it,PLEASE forgive me]!!!!! |
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Glenn Suchan
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Austin, Texas
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Posted 7 Aug 2006 10:35 am
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My orginal post was purely intended as a humorous thread. However, since some folks think that rap and music should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence, I have to add some more links of the great Gil Scott Heron. In my opinion, GSH is the "father" of modern rap and represents what rap can be at a lofty musical and intellectual level.
Gil Scott Heron does not appeal to all folks especially in the white, conservative community (so be forwarned), but he continually strives for, what he undoubtably considers, social change for the better.
Yes, rap and music DO, DO, DO belong in the same sentence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhgQqeyNsOE&mode=relat ed&search=Gil%20Scott%20Heron%20Live%20Performance%20Political%20NYC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAR_TMIP6A&search=Gil%20Scott%20He ron%20Live%20Performance%20Political%20NYC
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn
[This message was edited by Glenn Suchan on 07 August 2006 at 11:43 AM.] |
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Petr Vitous
From:
Czech Republic
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Posted 7 Aug 2006 10:57 am
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Jerry Reed is a great songwriter/singer/picker and I bet he's never put "rap" on his lips.
Tell me that Hot Rod Lincoln or A Boy Named Sue is a little bitty "rap" and I will throw all my albums and CDs through the window and gonna start to collect the stamps.
Petr http://www.luma-electronic.cz/lp/elpe.htm |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Petr Vitous
From:
Czech Republic
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Posted 7 Aug 2006 12:24 pm
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You're the winner !  |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 7 Aug 2006 1:52 pm
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| Merle Travis' "Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that Cigarette" is mostly a rap song. |
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Brett Anderson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2006 11:49 pm
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| yo yo yo! Wow Glenn, Rap with lofty, musical, and intellectual in the same sentence? It's really not even worth pondering. I don't see how degrading women, glorifying drug use, depicting in rich detail one's sexual exploits, and using language that would make a real musician blush could ever be mistaken for intellectual. If being "open minded" means embracing the things listed above I think I'll just stay over here in my conservative, close minded corner of the world and raise my kids without subjecting them to that mess. |
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Mark Edwards
From:
Weatherford,Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 2:23 am
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| Guys, this is what happens to an out of work A-Team member, I hope I always have a day job, now that's scary. |
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 3:39 am
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Brett,
Re-read my second post. My remarks concerning rap at a lofty musical and intellectual level refer to Gil Scott-Heron. NOT the silly "Mr. T" OR current rap/hip-hop artists.
Go back to my second post and click the links to the YouTube loops of Gil Scott-Heron performing his rap/hip-hop piece "Workin' on Peace" and his prose recitation on "Black History". If these two examples don't back up my opinion, find a copy of Gil's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (circa 1969-1970) and listen to the title track or "Whitey on the Moon" Some of his insight on these tracks is valid today.
Here's what iTunes store had to say about "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised": "Scott-Heron's unique proto-rap style influenced a generation of hip-hop arttists, and nowhere is his style more powerful than on the classic 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised'. Even though the media - the very entity attacked in this song - has used, reused, and recontextualized the song and it's title so many times, it's message is so strong that it has become almost impossible to co-opt. Musically, the track created a formula that modern hip-hop would follow for years to come: bare-bones arrangements featuring pounding basslines and stripped-down drumbeats. Although the song features plenty of outdated references to everything from Spiro Agnew and Jim Webb to The Beverly Hillbillies, the force of Scott-Heron's well-directed anger makes the song timeless...."
Gil Scott-Heron: thought provoking, musical rap.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn
[This message was edited by Glenn Suchan on 08 August 2006 at 04:54 AM.] |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 4:35 am
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There are lyrics spoken whilst accompanied by a melody - like Walter Brennan used to do...
Then there are songs that are sung...
There's poetry...
There's music...
Reciting poetry to music is really not my idea of entertainment.
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Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 4:40 am
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What about William Shattner's version of Elton John's "Rocketman"?
Spoken word over music at its best!!!
Jay |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 4:44 am
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| If rappers could carry a tune, they would be singing. |
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Brett Anderson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 8:59 am
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| Glenn, Thanks for clearing that up for me. I can appreciate GSH's effort to change the world. I still don't think of rap as music. GSH is the exception and not the rule. The mainstream crap is what I refuse to acknowledge as art. I can rhyme the "f" word with many words too, but I choose not to share my extensive vocabulary and grasp of the English language or to share my ignorance with the rest of the planet on a CD. I did click on the link briefly but then decided that ( at the risk of being labeled on this forum) that I have already learned eough black history and I'm truly not interested in hearing anything titled "Whitey on the Moon". The title alone is offensive to me. Guess it's not my jelly roll. I did recently hear Lorne Green rapping "Ringo" though. Are we relatively sure he's not the father of rap? |
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Glenn Suchan
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 10:17 am
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Hey Brett, I completely understand and appreciate your take on Gil Scott-Heron.  I don't agree with all of his ideas and points of view, either, but I respect the level of art with which he conveys them. And, as you can see, he does combine music and rap into an art form that makes you think about the world around you without employing gratuitous vulgarity. I think he has way too much pride in himself and his ideas for that.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 11:33 am
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| IF THEY COULD SING,THEY WOULD'NT BE RAPPERS!!! |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 11:37 am
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| Come to think about it,most [not all] of the contemporary so-called country singers SHOULD be rappers. |
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Brett Anderson
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2006 12:27 pm
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| Bama Charlie, Some of the new guys must be rappers. That must explain why I can't stand them. Glenn, it's too bad more people in that rap community don't have a little more pride. Maybe then they could encourage our youth to do something besides dressing ridiculously, wearing too much jewelry, and glorifying the thug life. It all leads to a road of lousy paying or no jobs or jail. For the record I can't stand heavy metal music either. |
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