steel bars

Christer Fredriksen · Post by **Christer Fredriksen** » 3 Dec 2003 12:17 pm

Hi!
I`m currently using a Jim Dunlop 7.5 oz. , 7/8 x 3-1/4 steel bar, bullet nose type. I`d like to try out some other variations, could you players please give me some input on the pros and cons of the different types of bars?
Thanks in advance
Christer

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 3 Dec 2003 4:47 pm

I like the Shubb-Pearse SP-2. It's a Stevens style with a bullet tip. Works fine for 6 or 8 strings. Easy to hold and slant.
http://www.shubb.com/sp/

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 3 Dec 2003 5:44 pm

I'd recommend the SP-2 too, if you're looking for something other than a round bullett bar. The SP-1 is also nice, a little longer so maybe it's better for an 8-string, I don't know.

But from the 'Stevens' style bars I've tried, the SP's are by far the quietest and also the most versatile thanks to the two different ends.

Steinar

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Will Yardley · Post by **Will Yardley** » 3 Dec 2003 5:51 pm

I`m currently using a Jim Dunlop 7.5 oz. , 7/8 x 3-1/4 steel bar, bullet nose type.

You don't mention what you're using it for... I use both a BJS pedal steel bar (about the same size as yours) and a smaller 3/4" x 2 3/4" Dunlop bar; I think the smaller bar is a little easier on 6 string lap steel. Dunlop makes a "Byrd bar" which is 3/4" x 3-1/4", and I imagine that would be a good size for most 6-8 string lap steels.

I have a shubb bar that's shaped kind of like a Stevens too, but I don't use it that much. It's the one that has the little pointy curves at both ends, and I find that the curves sometimes get caught on the strings...

Christer Fredriksen · Post by **Christer Fredriksen** » 4 Dec 2003 5:44 am

I use it for a georgeboard 8 string..

Rick Aiello · Post by **Rick Aiello** » 4 Dec 2003 6:51 am

Although they are "bullet bars" they are unlike any others that I have ... everyone owes it to themselves to have at least one Red Rajah/Black Phoenix Bar ...

Chuck has lots of sizes and shapes .... I am paricularly fond of the "Tapered ones".

And they have a lifetime guarantee

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Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 4 Dec 2003 7:15 am

Depending on the day, I use ...

- Black Phoenix
- Red Rajah
- John Pearse thermo-cryonic
- Dunlop Jerry Byrd
- Dunlop pedal steel bar
- Red Rajah pedal steel bar
- Corona beer bottle

The Phoenix is a wonderful bar that offers a slick, gliding feel and a nice, warm tone with less high-end than a metal bar. I like it more than the Red Rajah's which have a more fragile coating and a coarser feel.
The Pearse bar is heavier than most bullet bars and is slightly longer than the Dunlop JB. The JB is best for a 6 string, 22.5" scale guitar IMHO. It's good to try pedal steel bars occasionally . They make some lap steel techniques harder but are great for playing big chords in strum tunings. The advantages of the Corona bottle are obvious![This message was edited by Andy Volk on 04 December 2003 at 07:16 AM.]

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 4 Dec 2003 7:28 am

The best bar I ever found for lap steel, bar none, was a tapered steel bar. They aren't made anymore but if you can find a used one, buy it. You won't be disappointed!
Erv

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 4 Dec 2003 8:02 am

Andy, I am intrigued by the Dacron-covered lead bars that Freddie Roulette describes in your book. Did you get a chance to try one?

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 4 Dec 2003 8:39 am

No, Russ, I didn't. I did Freddie's interview via phone and he was hard to get! I don't know the name & address of the maker - he may no longer even be in business. In the early years of the forum Ed Packard and Bill Stafford were making bars from the synthetic material called Zirconia. Many at the time said these were the best bars they ever used. If I remember correctly, they were really expensive - something like $150.

Howard Warehand · Post by **Howard Warehand** » 4 Dec 2003 8:42 am

I only use a Black Pheonix 15/16 x 3.35 now for my 10 string Lap. With "advancing" years, drier hands has reduced my natural grip and I kept dropping my Stainless Bar, well that's my excuse anyway. For me the "sticky" Pheonix was the answer and gives me full bar control with only a light grip and I like the warmer tone.
I've been using it for a year now and the coating is still unmarked.

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 4 Dec 2003 8:58 am

Oh great.... I just tried ordering a Black Phoenix and it showed that 'Guitar Centre' won't ship to Europe and the Canadian dealer don't do online orders.
Anywhere else I can get them?

Steinar

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Rick Aiello · Post by **Rick Aiello** » 4 Dec 2003 9:07 am

Try Steel Guitar Canada

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Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 4 Dec 2003 9:12 am

Thanks Rick, but that's what I did. Takes a lot of time since both order and money transfer has to be done via snailmail. For some reason this can take weeks, even a month or more, between Norway and Canada....

Steinar

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Gerald Ross · Post by **Gerald Ross** » 4 Dec 2003 9:21 am

The Phoenix!! (aka Black Rajah).

Virtually eliminates the high pitched whine you sometimes get with a steel or chrome bar. Very mellow tone, good for Hawaiian.

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Rick Aiello · Post by **Rick Aiello** » 4 Dec 2003 9:21 am

Oops ... sorry, I didn't read your post fully

What size do you want ?...

I have a couple extra 2 3/4" x 3/4" ... Phoenix and Red Rajah (never been used, they are "spares")

I'll send you one if thats "your size"[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 04 December 2003 at 09:26 AM.]

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 4 Dec 2003 9:44 am

Rick: Did you know that Guitar Center won't ship to Seattle ... and that it can take weeks, or months, to transfer money between Washington state and Canada?

[This message was edited by Russ Young on 04 December 2003 at 11:30 AM.]

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 4 Dec 2003 9:51 am

Rick,- thanks for your generous offer!
I need it for 6-string (both electric and acoustic) so I meant to order the smallest size. Is that what you've got?
If you have a PayPal account I can transfer the money immediately,- I'll email you.

Steinar

PS - Russ, are you saying that......?

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Rick Aiello · Post by **Rick Aiello** » 4 Dec 2003 9:58 am

Yep, thats the small one ...

Terry VunCannon · Post by **Terry VunCannon** » 4 Dec 2003 10:15 am

I have fell in love with the shape & weight of the Shubb SP-1. It's easy to hold, & you can turn it to the blunt end or the rounded end for different licks.

Travis Bernhardt · Post by **Travis Bernhardt** » 4 Dec 2003 3:33 pm

I use an SP-2, but if I had to buy a new bar for 8-string lap steel, I'd almost definitely buy a Red Rajah/Black Phoenix. I tried a Red Rajah for the first time a few weeks ago, and I was actually shocked by how well it lives up to its advertising claims. It slides along the strings with far less "drag" than my SP-2 (I had always thought that the SP-2 was smooth, but there's really no comparison), and yet it "stuck" to my hand far better than my steel bullet bar (John Pearse cryo).

It slid along the strings so much easier that I had to be careful not to overshoot the fret I was aiming for. Seriously! It took some getting used to.

-Travis

Christer Fredriksen · Post by **Christer Fredriksen** » 5 Dec 2003 12:19 am

Thanks for all the good advices.
I especially liked Andy Volks about the corona bottle. I`ll have to empty a few to find out which one works best...
How about whiskey bottles?

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 5 Dec 2003 8:07 am

I've got a lead crystal slide with a bullet tip from Diamond Bottlenecks.

It's not as heavy as a Corona bottle, but it does hold a generously-sized shot of tequila ...

Rick Aiello · Post by **Rick Aiello** » 5 Dec 2003 8:57 am

Russ, I saw those "talked about" on that Blues/Slide forum. Did you get the non-pedal bar also ?

I got a Pyrex one that b0bs friend was making and its really

... HUGE (1' x 3 5/8") but very light ... quite different than anything I ever tried. Very fun !

I want one of those "Slippery Slides" bad ... I'm hopin' my wife gets the hint and "slips" on into my Christmas stockin'

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Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 5 Dec 2003 9:32 am

The bullet-tip slide I got from Diamond is pretty heavy -- app. 4.25 ounces -- but it is big, too. It's 1-1/8" OD and 3" long. Ian McWee of Diamond suggested it because it's much heavier than his glass lap bars, which are less than 3 ounces. He couldn't sell it for bottleneck playing, since the finger hole is very short -- it doesn't even cover my little finger -- which means extra glass (and mass) at the tip. My tricone seems to respond best to it; my Superior and Oahu still need something heavier.

I'm hoping I'll find a Slipperyslide under the tree, too ... since I couldn't wait and ordered a Red Rajah yesterday.