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Topic: Too many females? |
Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 8:49 am |
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| Does anyone notice thast there seems to be an over abundance of one hit wonder primadonna femles being cranked out of Nashville. All singing about babies and how bad men are. Cleavage and belly buttons trying to replace talent. The men are bad enough , but the women seem to out number the men two to one. Who would buy it? And next up, Sherry Lynn Shmegeg!!!! [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 19 January 2005 at 08:50 AM.] |
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Ron Page
From:
Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 9:56 am
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Popular music--commercial music-- seems to have become much more about sex appeal than musical talent. That's a generalization and doesn't apply to all the artists, but seems to fit more than a majority of those we see on TV and video.
Talk to most concert goers these days and you'll hear them talk about all the theatrics and precious little about the music or musical performance. Again, there are exceptions but most of those exceptions have been around awhile.
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 10:19 am
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"This old smoke filled bar is somethin' I'm not used to..."
Ain't a one of 'em that can touch that! |
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kyle reid
From:
Butte,Mt.usa
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 11:09 am
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| Simple answer! the majority of todays fans,CD buyers, show goers, etc, know nothing about music! they even think that high volume is a talent! go figure! [This message was edited by kyle reid on 19 January 2005 at 11:11 AM.] |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 11:17 am
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| Nashville country music is not alone in this. Rock has always been about looks to some extent - starting with Elvis. Classical music used to be satisfied with fat ladies that could sing. But even this genre has been affected. Lately I have noticed an unusual number of photos of beautiful youg female violinists and cellists in concert adds and even newspaper reviews. Even in the old days some country singers had looks and youth. Jimmy Rogers and Hank had eye-appeal for the fairer sex. Even Ernest Tubb had his gruff daddy-like appeal. And then there were the younger Carter women, Patsy, Loretta, Tammy, etc. All of them were pretty easy to look at. The definition of popular music is that it is about entertainment first, and music only incidently. There are lots of good singers, and lots of good looking people. Gettin both in the same package is a big part of what it's all about. If you are not pretty, you better be very, very good musically. |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 11:18 am
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| I doubt if Patsy Cline would've gotten too far these days. Dolly Parton would probably still go over pretty big. |
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Larry Robbins
From:
Fort Edward, New York
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 1:32 pm
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You guys are right-on about the music.
Although I DO like cleavege and belly buttons!  |
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Herman Visser
From:
Rohnert Park, California, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 1:59 pm
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| I not only dont like most of the stuff coming out today on the top 10 or the top 40 music charts in countary music,but it is also boreing as all hell. To me it all sounds the same.Wife listens to it and it drives me cazy.Big ( Bs) and belle bottons dont make me go out and buy the CD.I buy CDs with my ears not my eyes. |
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Rick Alexander
From:
Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 2:09 pm
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It's a bunch of suits in NYC telling country fans what they should listen to. I can't even watch it - if I want to ogle chicks I'll go on a porno site, if I want to hear good music I'll turn on XM and visit Hank's place or XCountry . .
The other day I got a call to do a session for a female singer who wanted "Nashville Quality". Now there's an oxymoron for you . .
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Rick Alexander
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Roger Kelly
From:
Bristol,Tennessee
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 5:01 pm
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I wouldn't mind playing Steel behind Shania Twain....  [This message was edited by Roger Kelly on 19 January 2005 at 05:02 PM.] |
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John Rosett
From:
Missoula, MT
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 5:26 pm
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i used to play some with a very talented young lady-she could really sing! well, she went to gnashville, and they told her to come back when she'd lost 20 pounds. by the way, she wasn't fat!
john |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 8:16 pm
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| I find most men like to see an attractive lady doing the singing. The cleveage and the belly button showing to me is unnecessary. It appears that a womans beauty has replaced the talent in the country music today. There may be some that can sing but the music to me just stinks. Give me Tammy Wynette, Loretta Lynn and some of the others from a few years gone by. I may get punished for this, but I am not too sure Minnie Pearl couldn't sing better than some of them we have today. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2005 9:04 pm
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I buy mostly instrumental music anyway. Guess I'm in a different market from the one they're selling to. I did buy a Nora Jones CD last year. The year before that, I bought one by Ella, and one by Etta James the year before that. That's about the extent of my chick singer music collection - one a year.
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 5:03 am
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I think Gretchen Wilson's one of the hottest out there both vocally and visually. I don't care whether a good singer is male or female but there are some great females still workin'. How bout these?
Trisha Yearwood...A little plump but a set of pipes to die for!
Patty Loveless...Can do a good old country tune or bluegrass with the best of 'em.
Allison Krause...If an angel had a voice we could hear it'd sound like her
Shania Twain...Miss Bellybutton to some but she got a bundle of talent in the singing and writing side of things.
Lisa Brokaw...Haven't heard of her lately except in guitar adds but she could sing her butt off.
Allison Moorer...What a dish! With talent a mile high IMHO!!
Mandy Barnett...Another plump girl but with a voice to rival Patsy's....
There are a bunch more but I can't remember names much anymore. I like the belly button and low slung jeans thing and hope it stays around for a good while. It helps me operate that extra new knee lever! 
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 9:45 am
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| Jerry, I would agree with you that the women above are real talents. It just seems that there are a bunch being thrown out there with no distinguishing voices. Mandy Barnett is an incredible singer. |
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Ben Slaughter
From:
Madera, California
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 3:39 pm
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| There's been some guys would could fall into the same category, but it does seem like a few more females. |
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Susan Alcorn (deceased)
From:
Baltimore, MD, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 4:13 pm
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| I think that talentless egotistical singers who would sell their soul for a C&W hit are in no shortage for either gender. Also, more females are buying CDs than males -- perhaps Nashville is responding (in true corporate fashion) to "demographics". |
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 5:26 pm
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| Hey, don't fergit Holly Dunn, my personal favorite. |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 9:14 pm
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The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway
where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. Now, cleavage and belly buttons have replaced talent. There's also a negative side... (Sorry HST)
I too long for the good old days, when we were all in rapture trying to figure out what words Emmy Lou was making up to our favorite songs, and singing them so you couldn't understand them either..
EJL [This message was edited by Eric West on 20 January 2005 at 09:19 PM.] |
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Terry Edwards
From:
Florida... livin' on spongecake...
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Posted 20 Jan 2005 9:26 pm
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I too long for the good old days when country women piled thier hair up like Marge Simpson and wore excessive makeup and jewelry like women should.
Minnie Pearl would never show her belly button....uh...OK...bad example...
...sorry.
Terry |
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2005 5:15 am
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| Funny stuff Eric! [This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 21 January 2005 at 05:16 AM.] |
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Leigh Howell
From:
Edinburgh, Scotland * R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Jan 2005 9:35 am
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Good point Susan!!
Leigh |
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ajm
From:
Los Angeles
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Posted 21 Jan 2005 12:49 pm
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"Female singer" or "Nashville quality"......
Which one is the oxymoron?
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 21 Jan 2005 2:29 pm
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Susans right..last month my wife bought 1 CD..I didn't buy any...
I personally don't have any issues with anyone landing a recording deal, 1 record or 100..
I think it's a heck of an accomplishment...
If I like it I listen and may even buy it..if I don't ..well..
theres always another out there to move on to...
I think the bigger issue is when the label/production co. is selling an Artist, to many times the CD is to thin..1 pretty good tune and thats it..the CD and artist have no where to go after some mild airplay..and usually it's down...and gone..then back home to Arkansas or wherever...
Unlike some of the top charters, male or female who have an excellent production and can draw off of it for many many months...maybe even a year..
t
[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 21 January 2005 at 02:31 PM.] |
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John Steele (deceased)
From:
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 21 Jan 2005 2:45 pm
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At least when they invade the media, you can shut it off.
More disturbing to me is the encroachment onto the live scene. I'm getting many more calls from (mostly female) singers to do backup work, and, well, alot of them don't have a clue. The club owner seems to think they're indispensable. 
I've watched a local jazz jam session collapse under the weight of talentless chickdom... it makes me sad. The players show up, perplexed to find the signup sheet has already been completely filled up by moaners wanting accompaniment. 90% of them are just bad.
They've considered a "instrumental only" policy, which would exclude some good singers, so that would be too bad. I've suggested perhap they hold a mud wrestling contest beforehand to see who gets to murder "Summertime".
The singers don't get it. Here are a roomful of instrumentalists who've dedicated their life to a fine art - they're not down there to a substitute for the hairbrush these people usually sing into in front of the bathroom mirror.
The blame, imho, lands squarely on two things: Karaoke machines, and American Idol. Blecch...
-John
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