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Topic: HipShot Trilogy Bridge |
Jerry Hayes
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Posted 27 Aug 2004 9:08 am |
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I just ordered a HipShot Trilogy bridge from Stewart/MacDonald and I was wondering if anyone had tried one of these. You're supposed to be able to set each string of your guitar (Tele or Strat) to 3 separated notes and access them by a flip lever. I'm redoing one of my Telecasters and thought that this might be a neat thing to have on one of them for some of the open tuning things. Thanks, JH
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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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Steinar Gregertsen
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Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Aug 2004 9:24 am
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I have it on one of my strats, along with Loni Specter's "Redneck" for lap steel. Easy to install and set up, and it seems pretty stable. My only problem is the brass nut of the neck, so I am waiting for Hipshot to finish a roller nut for the 'Redneck'.
On a regular guitar you have to consider that larger changes in tension will make the neck bow or relax, so you will still need to do a little finetuning. But with a little practice it shouldn't take long to change between tunings in a live setting.
Steinar
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 27 Aug 2004 4:58 pm
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About 6-7 years ago I had the hipshot that bent the B and the G string as well as the one that lowered the lower E to a D. I put it on my AST tele. The hip bar was a pain so I made a lever for my palm, and had two palm levers for the two strings. A cheapy version of Al Brunos' guitar if you will.
I liked it, What fun to have one string ascending while the other was decending, against an open string or two.
Problem was no rollers at either end and the G string tore up the hole in the Delrin bridge. Soon the strings would get caught and not return to pitch.
It dawned on me then that a psg was made for what I was trying to do, so I bought one, which I really still can't play.
With rollers at both ends the hipshot would be fun to play I believe. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 30 Aug 2004 3:26 am
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Hey Steinar,
Does the unit raise or lower the strings to the extra notes. I have a have a HipShot unit on one of my Teles which has the hip lever to raise the 2nd string to C# and a flip lever which lowers the 6th string to D. I actually moved the flip lever to the 5th string to lower it to G as I have Keith/Scruggs tuners on the 1st and 6th strings. Have a good 'un..JH
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Steinar Gregertsen
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Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Aug 2004 4:12 am
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Thet depends on where it is set at any moment,- it must not be confused with the 'B-bender' type of Hipshot products, the Trilogy is only useful for fast and accurate retunings, not steel guitar effects.
Here's how I've set up mine (might change as I get to experiment a bit more):
String 1 - e, d#, d
String 2 - c, b, a
String 3 - g#, g, f#
String 4 - e, d, c
String 5 - b, a, g
String 6 - e, d, c
What I did when I set it up was to set all levers at 'first' (highest) position, tune the guitar to those notes, then 'tune' the other two positions string by string on the Trilogy.
Steinar
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 30 Aug 2004 6:05 am
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I just finished up converting a Strat. I have Loni's Red Neck on it along with the Trilogy bridge. I also put on the roller nut that is made for a reso guitar. It took a little modification to the neck to make it work but it turned out fine. I am an old A major, hi bass, player so I have that as one tuning (A C# E A C# E) and have the trilogy set up to make an E tuning (E G# B E G# B). Not a problem to get either tuning. It really made for an interesting guitar. I will be posting some pictures shortly.
Erv
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 30 Aug 2004 10:14 am
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I just got my Trilogy by UPS this afternoon and now see just how it works. I think I'm going to just tune it open to the regular guitar tuning and set every string to 1/2 and 1 tone lowers. I have an Ibanez Artist with Keith/Scruggs tuners on all 6 strings and just lower everything a whole tone except the 3rd string which only goes a half. With that set up I can get open G, open D, dropped D, double dropped D, and DADGAD tunings. With the extra notes on the Trilogy I can probably get some drone notes which I can use. I can really see some possibilities here. Have any of you experienced any tuning problems with this unit or is it pretty stable. It'll probably be when I get back from Scotty's before I'll be able to install it....Have a good 'un..JH
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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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seldomfed
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Colorado
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 31 Aug 2004 4:47 pm
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I must say I don't understand the value of the transperformance at all. To stop and look down a a ton of buttons, pick one, press it and continue on could take half the time the song plays for. You are at the 8th measure and by the time you hit the button the band is at the 115th measure. Woops.
As for playing in different tunings, if that's the idea, who on earth would like to learn 15 (or whatever) different scales and finger starting positions when it's difficult enough to do when the notes are allways in the same place.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'll pass on that rig. |
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seldomfed
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Colorado
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Posted 1 Sep 2004 10:26 am
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Hi Ken,
"As for playing in different tunings, if that's the idea, who on earth would like to learn 15 (or whatever) different scales and finger starting positions..."
Ya the thing is for alternate tunings. Does exactly the same thing as the HipShot - only automagically. It can be used to change tunings in mid song for artistic effect (like the pedal steel) - but usually just used to change your tuning.
Lot's of people use open/alternate tunings during gigs - very common. Slack key players, lap steel players, many many guitarists, banjo players, uke player, etc.
On solo acoustic guitar gigs I use, DADGAD, open G, C Wahini, Open D, Dropped D, regular tuning, Open C and some other ones I can't always remember so I have them listed on the music. If this were cost effective for an acoustic guitar I'd dig it! But I'm with you - I'll pass - too expensive! But cool.
Regarding learning a new tuning, you just get used to it - just like switching from one neck on the steel to another. It's a really great way to open up creativity - just tune to an open tuning and experiment.
I just learned (afer all these years) that Keith Richards uses open tunings alot. No wonder my Honky Tonk Women licks always sound wrong. 
cheers - chris |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 10 Sep 2004 4:24 am
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I have the unit up and running and really like it. It's installed on a MIM Nashville Deluxe Tele. I'll be using it for a lot of slide guitar things. I've been using some alternate tunings for a long time as I have and Ibanez Artist solid body with 6 Keith/Scruggs banjo pegs ala Adrian Legg. I'd thought of doing the banjo peg thing on a Tele but the keys are too close together for my taste. I've already found some things with the Trilogy such as tuning the 1st string to Eb (D#) while playing in the key of B and using the 1st and 2nd strings open while playing up the neck. Have a good 'un...JH
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