That awful C word

BobRob · Post by **BobRob** » 23 Mar 2000 7:16 pm

Yesterday I picked up the lastest issue of Country Music People(an excellent British magazine) in which I read that one Mr.Trevor Dann(head of BBC radio and a recent recipient of a special CMA award for contributions to country music) said that it was time for the country label to go.

"The western tag has gone," says Dann. "Now is the time for country to go as well."

I (BobRob)would like to help with the effort to find the music which is now termed "country" a new name.

Of course, one stipulation is that all terminally lame "artists" such as Shania, Faith, Tim, Ty, Colin, Richocheese, etc. in the "young country" or "hot new country" camps shall have this new name applied to them. Leaving the "backwards" country label for artists such as: Dale Watson, Junior Brown, The Derailers, Wayne Hancock, Merle, George, Buck, etc.

Here are a few new labels for Shania's and Faith's etc. music

1. Ricecake- real bland but good for you.
2. paintdri- its like watching paintdri.
3. Lame-O music
4. "70's pop" music
5. Mall Muzak
6. "Wake me when its over" music
7. "Isn't this nauseating" music
8. "14 year old girl" music
9. "80's pop" music
10. "James Taylor soundalike but even less
lively" music
11. "Cheesier" music(on this one you, i.e. the CMA, don't have to change your letterhead which is an added bonus)

I believe that any of these names would help
pull in the listeners that what is currently
called country music radio is seeking. Each of the above is a more apt description for the type of music that "country" radio plays
than the current "country" label.

Would any other forum members like to add to this list. Maybe by pulling together we can
get the CMA a new label and give that awful
country label to those more deserving.

Thanks for your time,
BobRob

Janice Brooks · Post by **Janice Brooks** » 23 Mar 2000 7:44 pm

Thats sad to hear. I have never read this magazene but I have seen references to the likes of Dale Watson.

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Steve England · Post by **Steve England** » 24 Mar 2000 11:01 am

Suburban. I've been calling it that for ages now.

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 24 Mar 2000 1:38 pm

Kenny Dail and I were listening to some tapes of old Grand Ol' Opry shows from the late 40's starring Red Foley and some of the stars of that era where the announcer introduced it as "Folk" music and that's direct from a live broadcast from the Ryman. We listened to about 4 shows and they were all introduced the same way.

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Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 24 Mar 2000 1:50 pm

Jerry, we're all folks aren't we, so anything we make should be folk music.

Or perhaps Shania's brand of pap, should be known as 'Whitebread'.....

Regards the Forum Member formerly known as Jason Odd!

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Dayna Wills · Post by **Dayna Wills** » 29 Mar 2000 12:41 am

Nash-Trash.
Now, there are a FEW of the artists from the early 80's I still like. But what irks me is calling today's music "country", and having all these "young" country performers saying they cut their teeth on Haggard and Jones, and then they play something with no connection to any of the artists they SAY they admire.
And AM radio won't play the artists who put country music on the map. DUH!

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John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 29 Mar 2000 12:27 pm

I'm disappointed to see James Taylor's name included amongst the other "muzak" personalities.
Just my opinion, but anyone who finds James Taylor's amazing music to be boring must have either a harmonically-challenged ear, or a very short attention span.
Here's a man who would sooner depend on brilliantly crafted, harmonically rich compositions, rather than cranking out some freak show of go-go dancers... To compare him with the rest of the pablum crowd is unfair, bordering on insulting. Perhaps he isn't "country", but he's brilliant.
Just mho.
-John

John Macy · Post by **John Macy** » 29 Mar 2000 12:33 pm

I'm right with you on that one, John! Some pretty nice steel over the years on JT's records by Dan Dugmore.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 29 Mar 2000 1:19 pm

John & John,
I agree with James Taylor! WOW!
I think it's time to move into the year 2000, with new labeling! Maybe, it would stop so much whining we get on this forum....
Theresa

BobRob · Post by **BobRob** » 29 Mar 2000 7:44 pm

John,

I may not like James Taylor's music because:

1. I AM tone deaf. maybe

2. I HAVE a short attention span. maybe

3. I AM NOT an aged folkie, with a comb-over
and a ponytail, who can only stand music
that is about as edgy as a marshmallow.
definitely!

Janice,

CMP (www.countrymusicpeople.com) is an
excellent mag. The February edition features
Hank Snow, Rex Allen, Leona Williams, Ed Burleson and the Tennesse Rythm Riders.

They weren't very happy with Mr. Dann's statement.

They are BIG Dale Watson supporters and the British fans almost got Dale in as a nominee
for the Horizon award in the CMA a year or two ago. (That idea was squashed by the idiots in Trashville.)

They reported a very telling story about Shania a few months ago. It seems that Mrs. Twain was performing right across the street
from the "country" station in London. The people from the station went to ask if they could talk to Shania for a second and maybe get a promo recorded. (they do play her records). They were told by her handlers in no uncertain terms that Shania was not a "country" singer and that they could not talk with her. Heck, I coulda told them that Shania isn't a country singer. They aren't very happy about her and other artists(I use the word loosely) having the steel and fiddles removed from their "music" for European consumption.

BobRob

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Marty Pollard · Post by **Marty Pollard** » 29 Mar 2000 10:44 pm

"3. I AM NOT an aged folkie, with a comb-over
and a ponytail, who can only stand music
that is about as edgy as a marshmallow.
definitely!"

Oh $hit!!! SLAMMMM DUNNNNK

...you've got a friend.

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 29 Mar 2000 11:23 pm

Or,
4. More than 4 chords makes my head explode...

I guess it depends on your definition of "edgy". I know a local tabloid recently described a coming James Taylor concert as "about as exciting as a ionized carbon rod".
I kinda figured maybe it didn't have enough sparkly things attached to it to command the reviewer's attention... besides, Springer was on.....
-John
I remember the "summer of love". I was in Kindergarten.

Workin' on that combover though...

Jeff Peterson · Post by **Jeff Peterson** » 30 Mar 2000 10:05 am

This is great! I think we should burn all the music books with Shania's stuff in them...then we can burn a cross on her lawn....and if she still doesn't come around to your way of thinking, we can get really tough.

Moon in Alaska · Post by **Moon in Alaska** » 30 Mar 2000 12:41 pm

Well Heck, Jeff, I like Clint Black and he is country enough for me !!!

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Rich Paton · Post by **Rich Paton** » 2 Apr 2000 12:25 pm

What IS, IS. What AIN'T, AIN'T!

A new title? Spewzak!

Hmmmm...

Rock......and Roll
Country...and Western
Rhythm....and Blues

Whine...and Pule?

Robbie Bossert · Post by **Robbie Bossert** » 3 Apr 2000 7:54 am

BOBROB,
I Would Like Submit my title to be used for the "new" artists that you mentioned.

PURE ****!

Thank You.
Robbie

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 3 Apr 2000 3:15 pm

You guys,
Please just change the channel or put on your old LP's!

Don Discher · Post by **Don Discher** » 7 Apr 2000 5:22 am

This is a new MILLENIUM and this is country music whether you like it or not,and i'm sure Shania or Garth or whomever you want to bash on this forum could'nt give two hoots what you think.This new country is going to be with us for the rest of our lives so get out of the past and start enjoying life,we're not going to change anything.If my band only played Merle,George and Gene Watson material we would be spending a lot of weekends at home listening to their CDs instead of playing what most people want to hear.

Joel Glassman · Post by **Joel Glassman** » 10 Apr 2000 12:06 pm

Neo-Country
Quasi-Country
Pseudo-Country
Post-Modern Country
or
White Southern Pop With Token Rural References

Ernie Renn · Post by **Ernie Renn** » 11 Apr 2000 3:34 am

The Geezinslaw Brothers put it this way:
You call it country, I call it bad rock.

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C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 11 Apr 2000 5:06 am

Don,

You said,

"This is a new MILLENIUM and this is country music whether you like it or not,and i'm sure Shania or Garth or whomever you want to bash on this forum could'nt give two hoots what you think."

With much respect, I say this. You are correct! EXCEPT for one word. And of course that word is "country".

I have no problem in Shania, Garth, Brooks and Dunn, ad-finitum doing what ever they wish.

My only complaint is calling what they do "country".

You can dress up with a cowboy hat and boots and go thru all the girations all you want to. But if what comes out of your mouth is rock and roll (and as one poster said, sometimes bad rock and roll), it IS still rock and roll.

Why not just tell the truth, "We hate country music! We hate to sing it, but we want to say its country so we can get the bucks from all the diehard country fans as well as all the rockers out there".

I fully condescend and admit that country music is dying (if it is not already dead). The kids for the most part literally hate it. Most young adults hate it. True country fans are in the minority by far.

I hate to see this. But it is fact. There is not one radio station in the entire metropolitan Atlanta area (over 30 stations!) that just play country. 95% of them play just rock and roll. I find this a tragedy. A couple label themselves country, but they play rock and roll disguised as country most of the time. And ocassional George, or Alan. But that it is about it.

So, like Ray Price said. "Why don't they just call it what it is? Rock and roll".

Sorry but Ray is correct in my book.

God bless all,

carl

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 11 Apr 2000 5:17 pm

Carl,
Early Ray Price was country!
Theresa

Don Discher · Post by **Don Discher** » 11 Apr 2000 6:52 pm

If you call what Shania and a few others are singing, Rock and Roll then God bless it because that's what the majority are listening to and that's what we have to play if we want the jobs.Nobody likes the traditional country more than I do but hey I'm 55 years old and I love to see the dance floor rocking and being able to play this so called "rock & roll ".You certainly couldn't play this music in our Rock and roll bars,you'd be booed out of town,even tho there are a lot of younger people coming over to what is now called country.

Marty Pollard · Post by **Marty Pollard** » 12 Apr 2000 5:21 am

Whoa! Hold it right there, Carl! Forget Shania and Garth. Brooks and Dunn not country??? They are the epitome of country. Everything they do sounds country; even the pop covers. Everything about them screams country; their voices, the harmonies, the arrangements, the instrumentation. Yes, definitely country. One of the few remaining acts that are. Be grateful.

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 12 Apr 2000 10:04 am

Isn't that interesting?
I love traditional country music, and I could listen to James Taylor for a long time before I'd be tempted to buy a Brooks & Drums album.

-John