Paul Franklin E 9th Courses

Alan Cook · Post by **Alan Cook** » 12 Mar 2005 6:27 am

I bought the 3 E 9th courses off Pauls site last year. I found them good but hard to work out so I tabbed them out (Jeff Newman style). If I make these available to other players am I breaking copywrite laws? I did send them to Paul asking him if he was interested in using them but he never replied. (If he received them)

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 12 Mar 2005 6:36 am

I'd be less interested in the laws than I would be in Mr. Franklin's wishes on the subject. I wouldn't care if a roomful of lawyers told me it was ok if it turned out that Paul would rather that it not be done. And if he gave the ok then the law becomes rather a moot point.
I am confident that an email, a postal mail or a post here on the forum specifically asking for a go/no-go on this will get you the answer.

Alan Cook · Post by **Alan Cook** » 12 Mar 2005 7:51 am

I agree Jon, but I have mailed Paul, I dont have an email address and was hoping this posting on the forum would get his attentsion. That is why I addressed it Paul Franklin courses. So if your out there Paul please reply. There is no facility on the PF site to make contact, or if there is I cant find it.
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Alan Cook · Post by **Alan Cook** » 12 Mar 2005 8:12 am

I agree Jon. But I have mailed the tabs to Paul with a covering letter, I dont have an email address and the main reason for this posting is to get an answer to go, no go, so if you are out there Paul please reply. There are no contact details on the PF site or if they are there I cant find them.
I have submited this reply before but it did not work. So if it comes up twice that why.
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Jeppe Grangaard · Post by **Jeppe Grangaard** » 15 Mar 2005 12:52 am

Post it in another section of the forum.
Maybe Mr. Franklin doesn’t have so much to
come for here in the tab section. Jeppe

George Kimery · Post by **George Kimery** » 15 Mar 2005 4:26 am

Are you planning on selling them for profit or just charge for what the postage would be to mail them, or send them via email or something? Don't do anything without Paul's blessing. Whether you are going to be making any money off of his material could weigh heavily in his decision.

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 15 Mar 2005 11:27 am

Alan,

Sorry, I never recieved any notification from you or I would have responded immediately to this. No doubt you sent it. Don't know what happened.

From your post, I don't understand your intentions so I can only express mine to you.

If I wanted to teach using tablature I would provide it myself. As the teacher it is my protected choice on how I want to market my instruction without having others infringe upon that choice.

As a student you did the right thing by tabbing it out for (yourself only) and I urge all students to do the same. Here's why? By doing that you commit the information to memory the same as I do, when I learn new songs or solos by charting them. All music schools insist on students charting/tabbing out their lessons for the same reason. Alan, learning to play music through the information I teach is hard work, which is why I expect students to work as hard as you did until they find a personal way to begin to store this information in their memory banks. Hopefully your hard work will eventually pay off on the bandstand with some improvisational originality and I will be a proud and successful instructor.

My courses are not about song arrangements. They deal with information that should be stored mentally so the player can become their own musician.

Because of the depth of content, I leave it open to the student to sift through everything just the same as I would if I were giving them a personal lesson. They can write it down or if these were the old days, they would set the needle back down until it's worn out, as I did until I learned it. But they need to "personally" do whatever it takes to get the lesson accomplished.

Although the times have changed, and there are now many shortcuts available for many various song arrangements because of more teachers willing to share their arrangements, the path to becoming an improvisational musician and applying the knowledge of that methodology is still as time consuming as it was when I first started playing, which was long before there was tablature.

If your intent is to help someone else I promise you this; those that will not commit this knowledge to memory doing their own leg work will be the ones who never learn how to apply that knowledge into their playing.

The musicianship I teach is what I know about playing music and the instrument and it did not come easy. I have spent countless hours charting things down. Spending many hours working reduntantly on a short phrase until I never had to be reminded of "How does that chord, scale, or lick work?" This is the only way to get there.

Alan, If your intent is to sell and I don't assume it is, then you should know that my name and materials are protected.

I apologize to all if any of this offends anyone. And I appreciate Alan's honesty of being upfront with what he hoped to do. I believe he is a good man and will respect my wish, which is to leave my courses as they are.

My courses are for the serious student who wants to learn how to create their own style and ideas on steel guitar.
I believe providing tablature is not the way to capture this knowledge. Writing it down like the student taking notes in a classroom is how the student will best retain the information.

Paul

Alan Cook · Post by **Alan Cook** » 15 Mar 2005 12:05 pm

Thanks Paul for that reply, I never thought about it from that perspective, but you are right the only reason I can play them (at speed 1) and understand how they can be used is because I did the work to tab and work them out.

I respect your wishes and keep them to myself, so sorry to all the people who email me for copies.

I am disapointed that you never received the pack I sent to you via your site ordering system as it contained a 2 CDs of you and Jeff playing live at Gerry's show in Newbury, the tabs an order and cheque for the 2 C6 courses and your Xmas CD. I think I put some photos in there too. I posted them out on 22/10/04 to Stigitar Records. That the postal system for you though I have just received a mandolin that should have taken 3-5 days it actually took 7 weeks. I will re-order the courses in a week or so. Thanks again for the reply.

Best Regards
Alan.
www.alancook.net

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 15 Mar 2005 9:40 pm

Alan, I think it's very laudable that you originally wished to help others in their quest by sharing your tab work on Paul's courses.
This is one of those cases where a different perspective can make a lot of difference, because it seems on the surface that sharing tabs would save others the time and effort, perhaps giving them more time to practice... however Paul has very eloquently stated some of the reasons why this would actually be counter-productive.
I couldn't agree with you more, Paul, and I'm grateful for the time and effort that went into your post. I hope a lot of student players will take heed of the real insight here- we learn in many ways and the more different applications of inquiry and mental effort that go into learning songs, ideas, and technique, the faster and more efficently we can integrate those new ideas into our playing. The only thing I can add is a plea for some more great courses!

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Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 16 Mar 2005 9:28 am

As my profession is teaching, I know what PF said is right. Finding out the ' hard way' is the best learning school, accompanied by the directing suggestions from a teacher. Isn' t this where life is all about?

Tab can get you through the system of the instrument, but not through making music!

Charles Curtis · Post by **Charles Curtis** » 16 Mar 2005 11:37 am

I have several instructional videos without tab and here's the problem I've had. It's been the communication by the instructor's syntax; often getting confused and correcting himself on the video or referring to a certain fret different ways. Whereas when I have tab to look at it's cut and dried. However the tab, to me, without the recorded music doesn't convey the song. Maybe that's just me, but as a friend told me long ago, you have to get the sound in your head first. I tried to do a Jeff Newman tab without playing the LP for a well known piece on the C-6th for weeks but I couldn't make any headway; or rather it wouldn't stick in my memory. I am more apt to buy a CD when the tab can also be purchased with it or separately. I think that Bobbe Seymour has helped a lot of us that way. I don't have enough time at this point in my life to cram years in a short span; of course I just do a little picking at home. When I was in sales, I always tried to give the customer what he or she wanted. It helped my career a lot.

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 16 Mar 2005 5:15 pm

Bravo! PF, Bravo!

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 16 Mar 2005 8:08 pm

Have to lean more towards Charles than Paul on this one, especially when it comes to the amount of time required that most of us do not have. As he says, in addition to tab you gotta hear the music to have it make sense. Of course, it helps to understand how those little tabbed numbers relate to the chords & scales too. Just memorizing them wont' help much. Another argument in favor of using tab would be this: most other musicians who play piano, guitar, sax, etc., who read music and play very well, probably did not take take the time to dissect and write out all the pieces they've ever played. Why should steel players be any different? I know tab can be a crutch if used in isolation, but it's also a great learning tool as part of a total learning program. steve t<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by steve takacs on 16 March 2005 at 08:46 PM.]</p></FONT>

Alan Cook · Post by **Alan Cook** » 17 Mar 2005 2:43 am

Hi Steve
Spot on, I am happy to close this down now. I got the answer I needed from Paul and respect his views. But just to put the record strait I never intended to sell these tabs just email them to members of the forum to save them time. In actual fact I don't believe you get any musical information from tabbing these out as we all know the 3 main components of music are time, pitch and dynamics and tab gives you none of these, it simply tells you where to put you picks, feet, knees and bar. But as Steve says it does save you a lot of time a very valuble commodity these days. By the way Steve I still have the white Kline I love it so much I have just bought a second one off ebay. Set them both up as I want them with a some help from Joe Kline and Ron Bennett and they look, sound and play great.
Regards Alan.