Looking For Feedback... New Tab Program!

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 25 Aug 2001 5:55 am

Doug,
Thanks again for the IRFANVIEW info. I downloaded it and finally got the TAB pasted in as a GIF file. I sent it to myself to check it out, and even when I put the ZOOM
on it, it was unreadable. Could that 85%
size changer be the culprit? Do you have to use a different font size?
Anyway, somethings are not quite right. Thanks for any additional help.
Chip[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 25 August 2001 at 06:56 AM.]

Post by **Joey Ace** » 25 Aug 2001 6:08 am

Thanks Matthieu for the excellent job you're doing!

Not everyone has been able to endure the differing opionions of our Steel Brother(/Sister)-Hood. A lesser programmer would have thown up his hands and run off!

After playing with the demo for about a week,
I have just registered. I encourage others to do so.

Your level of customer support, by itself, is worth the price.

One thing you need to improve is:
Show that you take PayPal on your order site.
As it is now, we don't see the PayPal logo until we complete the order form.

I did not complete the order form until I emailed Keith, and confirmed that you accept PayPal. Then I filled out the form, and then saw the Paypal option in the next page.

Thanks again,

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Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 25 Aug 2001 8:42 am

V2.60 A4

Hello All,

I inform you I've just uploaded the new demo v2.60 a4. Here is the direct link:
http://www.tabledit.com/download/tev260d.exe (606 Kb)

The file is bigger in size than the previous demos because I've added the newly updated help file for v2.60 (which is much bigger than the executable

Changes:

- ability to use and define fifteen text strings (instead of ten) for labelling the floor pedal and knee levers.

- these text strings can have up to three characters (instead of two).

- the slur effect is played back only if you have selected the Choke special effect.

- The Choke special effect causes a bend/released grace note to be displayed both on notation and stave.

- TablEdit uses the "Text 1" font to display pedals and levers. You can define this font in (Options | Fonts).

Now I'm thinking about a feature to optimize the fingerings when importing a midi file or changing the tuning.

When you'll start to tab out PSG tunes with TablEdit, please report to me any problem you have noticed. I'll try my best to fix them right away.

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 25 Aug 2001 8:45 am

To all members:

Thanks to the ones who have recently registered. This is a big encouragement for me.

To SmallCap:

The Mac version doesn't include any PSG features. The Mac version is based on TE v2.10 (the official PC version two years ago).

To Steve:

Just select the note then the Choke effect and TE will handle it as bend grace note.

To Chip:

The "Solo Predefined Instrument" is an "advanced option" (Options | Advanced)

To Chip and Doug:

For creating a graphical file from the Print Preview, I think personally the best scale is 100%.

- I mark the desired area
- I press Export button then "Paste to Clipboard as Bitmap"
(From this point the image is in the Windows clipboard)
- I open PaintShop Pro or any graphic editor (Paint w98 is also suitable)
- I select the Paste command
- I save the image as a gif file.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 25 Aug 2001 8:58 am

Thanks again Matthieu.
Could you explain something about the fretboard again? Did you say there is a way to view any note[s]on the fret board; or chords? Different inversions, ie.? Something like in ClicTab?
Chip

Post by **Joey Ace** » 25 Aug 2001 9:57 am

Hi Matt,
There are some of us that perfer to use arrows to indicate pitch changes.

A single arrow = a half step, up or down.
A double arrow = a whole step.

example:

I would like to see this addition:

Please?

-j0e- [This message was edited by Joey Ace on 25 August 2001 at 11:53 AM.]

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 25 Aug 2001 10:06 am

Joe:

As it is so gently asked, I think I'll give up

No difference following the number of semi-tones?

Post by **Joey Ace** » 25 Aug 2001 10:15 am

Matt,
I don't understand your question.
The arrows indicate exactly what the #s and bs do.

Two Arrows Up = ##
Two Arrows Down = bb

Two Thumbs Down = a bad movie

-j0e-

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 25 Aug 2001 10:15 am

Joe,

I've to rephrase my question: what is exactly a "double arrow":
- two simple arrows?
or
- a single arrow with a double stem?

Post by **Joey Ace** » 25 Aug 2001 10:29 am

Hi Again Matt...
I now understand the question.
It's "two simple arrows".

Here's an example of a chromatic run:

Thanks,
-j0e-[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 25 August 2001 at 11:36 AM.]

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 27 Aug 2001 9:39 pm

Someone asked if it's possible to change a certain note from # to b or vice versa. For example, change Gb to F# in the notation.

You can force the alteration of a note by
using the b and # buttons of the Notes palette.

Put the little blue box on the note to be altered.
Click on DISPLAY, and then PALETTES, and then NOTES. then click on # or b.

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Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 28 Aug 2001 5:01 am

Matthieu, Doug, Anyone...
When I go to use the [?] within TE to bring
up the help file, a Windows Help flag pops
up and says it can't find the 'help file', and do I want to look for it myself? It also states to make sure it is located on my disk.
I have been keeping up with all the latest TE downloads and help files, and so, can't figure out what's wrong here. Please help
with help file. Thanks anyone.
Chip

Post by **Joey Ace** » 28 Aug 2001 5:43 am

Chip,

It works for me.

Did you download the
"Official Technical Manual & Tutorial"
from the (non-secure) download area of their website?

-j0e-

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 28 Aug 2001 7:13 am

Chip,

You have to download it separately from the TablEdit page.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 30 August 2001 at 08:46 AM.]

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 28 Aug 2001 2:01 pm

Thanks Joey & Doug,
I brought up the help file by going thru
'browse' on an open TE song. After this initial bringing up, 'help' is now working from the toolbar. I guess it just needed to be jump-started; kinda like, before, Doug,
when you mentioned that ENTER would bring up SPECIAL EFFECTS, but on my PC, it brought up
PITCH CHANGE. But then after I initially used
SPECIAL EFFECTS, SE would now appear when using ENTER. Beats me. I'm gonna go fish, now.
Chip

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 28 Aug 2001 8:20 pm

Was just looking at Ed Bierly's nice job on "Tenderly" and noticing the stems on the tab. It appears that an eigth note has a proper stem, and a quarter note does too. But the half note looks just the same as a quarter note. Is there a way to make it different/more correct? Maybe put a little open circle on the bottom of the stem: "o" to look like a half note? But then what to do for a whole note? Maybe this is going too far? Also, it would be nice to have the rest signs in the tab too, not only in the music notation. Thanks.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 28 Aug 2001 9:26 pm

Yes, the stems are the same for half notes
and quarter notes in the tab. I don't think there's a way for the user to change that. The whole note has no stem nor any other symbol appearing in the tab. Eighth notes are displayed with the proper stems. Triplets, sixteenths, etc will be displayed properly in the tab too.

IMHO I think the tab looks better without the stems in it. I don't like the way they go through the numbers. You can choose not to display the stems in the tab. To do this click on the Print Preview, Print Setup, Display, and then Un-check "Note Stems" and "As in notation".

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 28 August 2001 at 10:30 PM.]

Post by **Joey Ace** » 29 Aug 2001 11:57 am

Hey Registered Users,

There's now a Pedal Steel area at the secured tabledit site.

I suspect discussions about use of the program are best held there.

I love this forum but don't want to overtax it's resources.

-j0e-

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 Aug 2001 5:20 pm

Joey,
You may be right about the discussion
session on Tabledit, but in my 3 years
experience, just throwing out a question or request takes forever to get a response.
This was on straight ahead 6-string guitar.

The best music forum, and, that just happens to be the Pedal Steel Guitar Forum, is the place to find out and contribute, anything and everything.

The only time I got any response from
the Tabledit Forum was to address Matthieu, Tom, or Keith, directly. Otherwise, you may as well watch paint dry.

I'm not knockin' Tabledit [far from it]. It's just that
the participation on TE of all concerned, is nowhere near what we have on the SGF.

BUT....maybe us steelers will put some well needed zip into TablEdit Discussion.FWIW
I'll be checkin' it out.FWIW
ChipsAhoy

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 30 Aug 2001 7:50 am

If the idea is to spread the word about this great new tool for PSG, this is the place to do that.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 30 August 2001 at 09:58 AM.]

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 30 Aug 2001 2:05 pm

Hello All,

I must admit Chip is right about the TablEdit forum: it is much less active than the Steel Guitar Forum. (Probably because TablEdit users are 100% satisfied, I suppose so

BTW, it is reserved to registered users. However, I do agree beginners, who have not registered yet, need more support than experienced and convinced users...

IMHO, it should be created a TablEdit topic on the Steel Guitar Forum (Section Computers) where TablEdit technical issues could be discussed and explained.

Obviously, you can rely on my contribution...

Matthieu Leschemelle · Post by **Matthieu Leschemelle** » 30 Aug 2001 2:06 pm

Regarding the note stem display in tablature:

1° I've also noticed the stems are crossing the numbers. It should be fixed in a next update.

2° In former versions, the stems for 1/2 notes were truncated (as are tied notes stems in tablature). It is a quite good solution except if the note is on the lowest string. So I've been asked by some users to display regular stems even for 1/2 notes. I've granted their wishes.

The users who asked for this change told me that in tablature the normal display for a 1/2 note should be one 1/4 note tied to a following 1/4 note.

After some thoughts, I think now it was not a good idea. Indeed, if the user prefers so, he is allowed to enter tied quarter notes. The new system has no real advantage.

So I'll restore the truncated stems for 1/2 notes.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 30 Aug 2001 5:19 pm

Most of the guitar tab that I have seen uses a circle around the number for a whole note, and a circle (around the number) with a stem for a half note. For whole note or half note chords, the circle surrounds all of the numbers for that chord.

Personally, I don't like the stems in the tab at all, so I won't be using that feature. If the notation is there, why does anyone need the additional stems in the tab? It would be useful if the user chooses to print only the tab... without the notation, which is one option available.

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SmallCap · Post by **SmallCap** » 31 Aug 2001 8:01 am

It seems to me that when I enter a A, B, F, E ... for Pedal/Lever Action TablEdit enters the right values of note change. but when I look at the Pitch dialog where the Values are entered, the value shows only 2 for all of the different letters. Can' it be done that when you click on a specific letter you see the specific value for that letter?

Thanks
Roland

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 31 Aug 2001 8:57 am

I believe that the Pitch Change menu defaults to +2 semi-tones every time you access it. And it seems to default to "A" every time you access it.

To speed the entries up, I enter all of the numbers on a line and then I go back and add in all the "A" lever changes.... go back and add in all of the "B" lever changes, etc. Once you access the Pitch Change menu, just hit "ENTER" and the Pitch Change menu will pop up again. That makes things a little easier.

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