Question for Ricky Davis

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 29 Apr 2001 10:37 am

Hi Rayman. I don't have that CD or song; so I would have to hear it.
If you can come up with a clip of the steel section you are concerned with; I would be happy to give it a listen and a whirl for ya pal.
Ricky

Mike Selecky · Post by **Mike Selecky** » 5 May 2001 9:28 am

I gave this song a listen last night- this is a tough little solo! Here's what I came up with - I'm pretty sure this shows the basic scale positions, phrasing it like Paul Franklin is a whole 'nother story! I'm linking a sound bite of the solo, it's fairly large, around 1MB and the last couple notes got chopped off, sorry. Suggestions, comments, corrections welcome.

solo from "Ain't givin up on Love"

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1 __________13__________________________13______________________________________________
2 ______13______________________________________________________________________________
3 ______________13--13B___14B--13B--13__________________________________________________
4 _________________________________________13--13L*_____________________________________
5 __13A______________________________________________13A--13____________________________
6 _____________________________________________________________13B--13__________________
7 ______________________________________________________________________________________
8 ______________________________________________________________________________________
9 ______________________________________________________________________________________
10______________________________________________________________________________________
*lower 1/2 step

1 ______________________________________________________________________________________
2 ______________________________________________________________________________________
3 ______________________________________________________________________________________
4 ___________________________________________________8______11F--11F____11F--11F________
5 ______8_____________________________________8--8A_________11_--11A____11_--11A________
6 __________8B--8_____________________8--8B_______________________________________11____
7 __________________8______________8____________________________________________________
8 ______________________8--8L___8_______________________________________________________
9 ______________________________________________________________________________________
10______________________________________________________________________________________

1 ______________________________________________________________________________________
2 ______________________________________________________________________________________
3 __________10___________8__________10__________8_____5B--5B____________________________
4 __________10___________8__________10__________8_______________5___5___________________
5 ____8--10_____10--8A_____8A--10______10--8A_________5_--5A____5_--5A--_5______________
6 _________________________________________________________________________5B___________
7 ______________________________________________________________________________________
8 ______________________________________________________________________________________
9 ______________________________________________________________________________________
10______________________________________________________________________________________

1 ______________________________________________________________________________________
2 ______________________________________________________________________________________
3 ______________________________________________________________________________________
4 _______________________________________1________1________1____________________________
5 _3----5A___________3A--3___________1A______1A_______1A_________1A--1__________________
6 __________5B---3B_________3B_________________________________________1B--1____________
7 _______________________________________(multiple times ?_____________________1________
8 ________________________________________-with heavy vibrato)__________________________
9 ______________________________________________________________________________________
10______________________________________________________________________________________

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Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 5 May 2001 11:58 am

Mike,
I listened to your clip (were there any notes missing in the beginning?). This is what I hear in the first half. The most significant difference is in the beginning. My guess is that Paul is using the C pedal to get those drops. It seems to naturally fit the lines he's playing. Just my guess. Thanks for the tab and the clip.

<pre>1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3__________________________13b_~_13_______________________________________________
4__________________15________________13c_~_13_____________________________________
5________15_~_15a______15______________________13c_~_13___10a_~_10________________
6____15___________________________________________________________________________
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________</pre>

<pre>1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3_________________________________________________________________________________
4__________________________________________________________8______________________
5_______________8__________________________________8_~_8a_________________________
6____10b_~_8b______8b_~_8__________________8_~_8b_________________________________
7__________________________8____________8_________________________________________
8_____________________________8_~_7__8____________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________</pre>

<pre>1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3____7_~_8___7_~_8________________________________________________________________
4____7_~_8___7_~_8____8___________________________________________________________
5_____________________8___________________________________________________________
6_____________________8___________________________________________________________
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________</pre>

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 05 May 2001 at 01:05 PM.]

Mike Selecky · Post by **Mike Selecky** » 5 May 2001 4:35 pm

Jeff,

I think the very first note might have got partially clipped - I also tried the beginning using the B & C pedals, but just couldn't make it fit. It's strange, sometimes when you listen off a recording, you work it out a certain way and then if you go back later to it, you can hear the notes that you missed with no problem. I'll have to go back to this one in a couple of weeks to see if I hear anything different. Thanks for your comments.

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 6 May 2001 4:23 am

I listened to the wav.file and found some hard to hear notes missing in the tabs. I tried the start with the B-pedal release but it did not feel right.
I don't know if P.Franklin has F#-G on first string but the fingering below on the start felt real good to me.

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1___________________________15R_~_15________________________(F#-G or 16th fret)__
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3_________________________________________________________________________________
4__________________15________________15_~_13______________________________________
5________15_~_15a______15a______________________13a_~_13___10a_~_10_______________
6____15___________________________________________________________________________
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________

1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3_________________________________________________________________________________
4__________________________________________________________8______________________
5_______________8__________________________________8_~_8a_____8___________________
6____10b_~_8b______8b_~_8__________________8_~_8b_________________________________
7__________________________8____________8_________________________________________
8_____________________________8_~_7__8____________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________

1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3____7_~_8___7_~_8______________________10______________8______________10_________
4____7_~_8___7_~_8____8_________________10______________8______________10_________
5_____________________8_________8_~_10______10_~_8_~_8a____8a_~_8_~_10____________
6_________________________________________________________________________________
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________

1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3________________8_____________5b______5b_________________________________________
4________________8_____________5_______5_______5__________________________________
5____10_~_8_~_8a___8a_~_8_~_5__5_~_5a__5_~_5a__5a______5a_~_3a_~_3____3a_~_3____3_
6__________________________________________________5b______________3b________3b___
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________

1_________________________________________________________________________________
2_________________________________________________________________________________
3_________________________________________________________________________________
4_________________________________________________________________________________
5______________6_____6__6__6__6___________________________________________________
6____5_~_6________6__6__6__6__6___________________________________________________
7_________________________________________________________________________________
8_________________________________________________________________________________
9_________________________________________________________________________________
10________________________________________________________________________________
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Bengt Erik

Note: in the first line, instead of releasing A-pedal at 13th fret you can slide to 11th w/Apedal down. That way the Apedal can be held down for the whole first part. My guess is that it is a pedal-release.[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 06 May 2001 at 08:12 AM.]

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 6 May 2001 3:38 pm

According to the Forum Tunings section, Paul doesn't have a half-tone raise on the first string.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 6 May 2001 8:29 pm

I actually had a chance to listen to this and had my steel in the same room(what a miracle)> I can play the first section 4 different ways and all being the exact same notes. But to me; tabbing isn't just playing the correct notes or something that will work or is close or plays easier> it is really getting into the actual way the player played it with his copedant. I don't get it right all the time and do end up with something that is almost perfect and plays ok; but knowing and studying the way these players play something; is an art form in itself. Every player has certain patterns of the way they play; and as I tab and have tabbed tons of different players; I get used to their patterns and string selections with their set up; and it comes up all the time. Jeff Lampert does this soooooo much better than I do; and I thought I was getting pretty good till I look at his tab. Jeff; to me; has an ear that is a step above what I could hope for and I picked through this one, and I'll have to say> to my ears and tenure of the strings and the way Paul plays; I'll have to go with Jeff on this one.
But don't get me wrong; I'm not gradeing here; and I'm not trying to come off like "yours is good and yours is bad"; because I truely believe one can get pleanty out of playing something several different ways and I ENCOURAGE that more than almost anything. Remember my greatest idol is Lloyd Green and I'll never forget his words about something like this. "figure out how to play something; then figure it out two more different ways".
So all and all; having several guys throwing down tab to the same piece is more better than just one guy tabbing it. That is why I like this thread cause there are three different tabbers doing the same piece; and three different ears come out a little different. But one should not be discouraged and one should not feel like their piece is better than the other; it is a family here and we all love each other and the steel guitar, in the MOST humble way I would hope.
Ricky

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 7 May 2001 3:24 am

Mike, Jeff, I hope I didn't offend you by saying I heard some hard to hear notes missing in the tabs.
I don't know very much about the way Paul Franklin plays certain licks so my position could be all wrong.
But I am pretty confident that the notes are correct even if the position is not.
This is all about sharing information and not a competition. I learn a lot from the tabs posted by other members.
So learning to play the same thing in a different way is something I will support 100%

Bengt Erik[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 07 May 2001 at 08:44 AM.]

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 7 May 2001 1:33 pm

No problem.