Nationals: New Yorker VS Grand Console
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- Andy Zynda
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Nationals: New Yorker VS Grand Console
I don't get it. Consistently, National New Yorkers (single 6) go for as much $ or more than a Grand Console (Dual . The pickups appear to be the same design, just 6 versus 8 poles.
I have a new yorker that I inherited from my Pop, and I have a Grand Console on the way. The 'Yorker sounds like a million, I sure hope the 'Console sounds as good.
Is there a secret I dont know?
-andy-
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51 Fender T-8, National New Yorker, Regal Reso, 62 Tele, G&L Comanche
I have a new yorker that I inherited from my Pop, and I have a Grand Console on the way. The 'Yorker sounds like a million, I sure hope the 'Console sounds as good.
Is there a secret I dont know?
-andy-
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51 Fender T-8, National New Yorker, Regal Reso, 62 Tele, G&L Comanche
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I've no clue re the New Yorker vs the CG but re the Stringmaster vs the Console Grand issue, many of the top steel players of the late 40's & early 50's were either based or often traveled through the West Coast where they saw and heard the new Fender guitars and even collaborated - in the case of Boggs & Remington - on their design. Leo Fender had a very strong idea of what he wanted his steels to sound like - a big dip in the mids in favor of treble and bass. Coupled with his innovations in amp design, this sound really cut through the mix on record or cut through a band live. It became THE desireable sound. The Gibson CG emphasized the midrange - a sound far different from Fender. It also had a look that had beeen around for about 15 years when the Fenders came out vs the eye-catching blonde look of many of Leo's early guitars. They're equally great guitars but the Gibsons didn't catch and hold player's attention in the way that Fenders have for 50 years and the collector/player market still reflects that. I think they're way undervalued in that regard.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 23 September 2002 at 04:54 PM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 23 September 2002 at 04:55 PM.]</p></FONT>
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Brain cramp or no, right you are, Andy - the Console Grandes are both undervalued and underappreciated. It's a mystery to me why more people don't pick up on what great guitars these are. You mention the midrange, which is usually cited as the big difference from Fenders. What most impresses me about my CG though, is what a fat sound it gets with the first string tuned to G#. As many people have complained here before, most instruments - I'd certainly include both my Stringmaster and Dual Professional - sound pretty wimpy tuned that high, but the CG sounds as full and rich at that pitch as a full third lower. I'm always amazed what a big sound Don Helms gets on those old records, just playing diads so high up the neck. The Fenders are superb, but for my money, the CG is every bit as good, in its own way.
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Trying to judge the popularity G.C.G.today is one thing but using todays market is todays market. How many were sold by Gibson before 1960? I think we must know this before we can move forward.I can remember 20 years ago when any non pedal was fairly cheap when no one hardly wanted them,because the pedal steel was where most non pedal players were.I do have a Gibson Stock book from long ago and they sure were selling both pedal and non pedal steels.Non pedal steels do cost more now in the world of Ebay land,but they often are a good deal if you want an older guitar.
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