ZB Pedal Steel Guitars - Please help!
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Does anyone here have any photos of the ZB D10 that Pete Martell used to play around the Portland area? With or without Pete, I don't care.
That ZB went from Pete to my cousin, then to me. I don't have any photos of it and I'd love to have some.
Sure wish I still had the guitar. It was the steel I used when I first became a full-time musician/steel player.
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That ZB went from Pete to my cousin, then to me. I don't have any photos of it and I'd love to have some.
Sure wish I still had the guitar. It was the steel I used when I first became a full-time musician/steel player.
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Very cool... not too many black ones out there. I've seen only a couple. I've seen alot more "brown" ones - faded colors from whatever color (blue, green, red, brown).
This one is a very interesting mix of parts, too, as it has a Phoenix sticker - old style - plus an extra row of holes on the tuner endplate - plus a serial number (#1045) that looks like a Scranton-built guitar (mid-60s). Definitely old-style diamond pedals. Notice the Zane-signed (not printed) fretboards, too. And the pedal rod ends have the old-style connectors, too.
Congrats, Glenn. Just FYI - ZBs did come in a black finish option. I think I've seen Rusty Young and Tom Brumley both play black ZBs, and it's also in some of the literature from the company from years ago. Let me know if I can help along with the other ZBers here. ZBest!
Any opinions? Greg?
ZBest,
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This one is a very interesting mix of parts, too, as it has a Phoenix sticker - old style - plus an extra row of holes on the tuner endplate - plus a serial number (#1045) that looks like a Scranton-built guitar (mid-60s). Definitely old-style diamond pedals. Notice the Zane-signed (not printed) fretboards, too. And the pedal rod ends have the old-style connectors, too.
Congrats, Glenn. Just FYI - ZBs did come in a black finish option. I think I've seen Rusty Young and Tom Brumley both play black ZBs, and it's also in some of the literature from the company from years ago. Let me know if I can help along with the other ZBers here. ZBest!
Any opinions? Greg?
ZBest,
LC<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Larry Chung on 05 September 2006 at 08:20 PM.]</p></FONT><font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Larry Chung on 06 September 2006 at 09:53 AM.]</p></FONT>
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Brendan, That beauty will be mine when it gets here. I'm starting to know what the ZBGB's are I'm hoping some of you guys can shed some light on this guitar. I've never seen a black ZB before. I suspect that it was painted. It has a Phoenix decal on it, but from what I can gather, it's an early model ?? Ser# 1045. I'm sure I'm going to like it regardless of the condition. I haven't had a steel since last March, when I sold my Emmons push pull.
Also, talking about the Emmons. There is currently an Emmons on Ebay, the only one right now, which I am sure is a scam. The auction has the description that I wrote for my Emmons last march, minus the pics. The seller has zero feedback too. People are bidding on it. I managed to email the first bidder, but Ebay won't let me email the others, because I'm not the seller.
Also, talking about the Emmons. There is currently an Emmons on Ebay, the only one right now, which I am sure is a scam. The auction has the description that I wrote for my Emmons last march, minus the pics. The seller has zero feedback too. People are bidding on it. I managed to email the first bidder, but Ebay won't let me email the others, because I'm not the seller.
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Glenn and Larry, this has all the markings and features of the early Phoenix built guitars, right down to the orange painted belly. According to records, Ser# 1045 was invoiced on Sept. 27th, 1966 to Don Edwards. Now, according to Mrs. Beck, they moved to Scranton at the end of August,1966 and anything built after that date through Dec. 1968 was built in Scranton. Sooooo, this makes the 2nd guitar built in Scranton if you are going by invoice dates.
Zane used up his Phoenix decals just as they did in Bakersfield with the Scranton decals. I am sure all the parts and possibly even the body was actually BUILT in Phoenix but chances are it was assembled in Scranton. Either way, this is a great Zane built guitar and pretty scarce too being that it is all black with NO inlays in the aprons. Phillip Morgan has Ser# 1053, also built in 1966 and invoiced to Don Edwards. It was originally all black w/no inlays too. He has since refinished it and exposed some of the prettiest curly maple I have ever seen. Its absolutely stunning. Although his guitar was built in Scranton, it had a Phoenix decal on it too.
Welcome to the ZB family Glenn, you're gonna love that guitar!!!!
Greg
Zane used up his Phoenix decals just as they did in Bakersfield with the Scranton decals. I am sure all the parts and possibly even the body was actually BUILT in Phoenix but chances are it was assembled in Scranton. Either way, this is a great Zane built guitar and pretty scarce too being that it is all black with NO inlays in the aprons. Phillip Morgan has Ser# 1053, also built in 1966 and invoiced to Don Edwards. It was originally all black w/no inlays too. He has since refinished it and exposed some of the prettiest curly maple I have ever seen. Its absolutely stunning. Although his guitar was built in Scranton, it had a Phoenix decal on it too.
Welcome to the ZB family Glenn, you're gonna love that guitar!!!!
Greg
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The black ones sound better...
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You said it, Mike...
Hope this works - here's a clip of Buck and Don and Tom playing "Tiger by the Tail" on YouTube from 1966. Don Rich was so amazing! Very, very cool. Tom's playing the black ZB (sounds good, too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41s7oSls0IA
How'd they play with all those tassles and not have them get in the way???? (:
ZBest,
LC
Hope this works - here's a clip of Buck and Don and Tom playing "Tiger by the Tail" on YouTube from 1966. Don Rich was so amazing! Very, very cool. Tom's playing the black ZB (sounds good, too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41s7oSls0IA
How'd they play with all those tassles and not have them get in the way???? (:
ZBest,
LC
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Well, it's finally here, and I think it was worth the wait. Almost one full month in transit. After messing with it for a couple of days I can honestly say that this 1966 ZB is by far the best, sweetest sounding, guitar I have ever owned. I'm really digging the tones I can get. I'm a little perplexed by the changer however. The pedals don't appear to have much wear on them. The lacquer is a bit beat up, but all the aluminum is in great shape. I'm going to try and post a pic tonight.
I was wondering what the deal is with the 3 switches for the pickups, Everything seems to be on all at the same time.
I was wondering what the deal is with the 3 switches for the pickups, Everything seems to be on all at the same time.
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Dang, That was easy!
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Thats not his black ZB. It was dark brown mahogony with natural tops and white fret boards. It only had two knee levers. The black was seen in later episodes and played at the Carnegie Hall show. Tom Brumley still owns that black guitar today. The one seen here is long gone. <font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 06 October 2006 at 09:45 PM.]</p></FONT>
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Thanks Brendan, and thanks Mike. This ZB does sound Sweet, and ironically it is the least expensive, best sounding steel I have ever owned. Mechanically it doesn't have much mileage at all, probably because it requires gargantuan force to push the pedals, but I'm not too worried about figuring that out.
I still have to score 2 complete knee lever assemblys, which I'm discussing with Greg Jones right now. I'm planning on doing a complete refinish on this guitar to a Fender style sunburst, ala Lloyd Green's Fingertip Sho-Bud.
I'm still a little unclear about how all the switches, and the 2 pots should function. The way I see it is that both necks are always on. The two three way switches are for the coil taps. The small 2 position switch turns the tone controls on and off. One of the pots is trashed, but the other one changes the tone on both necks ??? And for the coil taps, it doesn't matter which one you use, it changes the tone on both necks too, soooo I'm back to square one. Maybe it has been messed with, I dunno, but I would think that there would be at least a neck selector switch in there somewhere.
I'd appreciate any help and advice I can get.
Thanks
I still have to score 2 complete knee lever assemblys, which I'm discussing with Greg Jones right now. I'm planning on doing a complete refinish on this guitar to a Fender style sunburst, ala Lloyd Green's Fingertip Sho-Bud.
I'm still a little unclear about how all the switches, and the 2 pots should function. The way I see it is that both necks are always on. The two three way switches are for the coil taps. The small 2 position switch turns the tone controls on and off. One of the pots is trashed, but the other one changes the tone on both necks ??? And for the coil taps, it doesn't matter which one you use, it changes the tone on both necks too, soooo I'm back to square one. Maybe it has been messed with, I dunno, but I would think that there would be at least a neck selector switch in there somewhere.
I'd appreciate any help and advice I can get.
Thanks
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I'm not where I can look at my guitar, but I believe that...
the small 2-way switch in/out for the tone control (leave it switched off)
one 3 way switch is top neck/both necks/bottom neck
the other 3-way switch is the pickup tap control for both necks.
further... one knob is volume and the other is tone... leave vol all the way on (I cant remember if the tone cut out switch disables this volume control.. never used it.<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Mike Vallandigham on 09 October 2006 at 01:45 PM.]</p></FONT>
the small 2-way switch in/out for the tone control (leave it switched off)
one 3 way switch is top neck/both necks/bottom neck
the other 3-way switch is the pickup tap control for both necks.
further... one knob is volume and the other is tone... leave vol all the way on (I cant remember if the tone cut out switch disables this volume control.. never used it.<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Mike Vallandigham on 09 October 2006 at 01:45 PM.]</p></FONT>