Emmons Bolt On

Bruce Hamilton · Post by **Bruce Hamilton** » 21 Nov 2006 11:18 am

This one looks like a nice one. http://cgi.ebay.com/Emmons-Double-Neck-8-Pedal-Steel-Guitar_W0QQitemZ280051595491QQihZ018QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Rand Anderson · Post by **Rand Anderson** » 21 Nov 2006 11:40 am

looking more like a split tail than a bolt-on
especially with that badge....can't really see changer close enuff....

i can see it better today......sure is bolt-on[This message was edited by Rand Anderson on 22 November 2006 at 11:01 AM.]

Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 21 Nov 2006 12:20 pm

$4,500 is a little steep if it were a cut-tail. I'd say he might have better luck with about half that or maybe a little more, but looking at the pictures more closely, that doesn't look like a cut-tail[This message was edited by Duane Reese on 21 November 2006 at 01:48 PM.]

Mike Kowalik · Post by **Mike Kowalik** » 21 Nov 2006 2:31 pm

I've sent the seller a request for the serial number....I think it's more early 70's than late 60's.

TRAP TRULY · Post by **TRAP TRULY** » 21 Nov 2006 2:56 pm

the add states "Late 1960's Vintage serial # D1036" which would put it at around a '67 I believe. The sticker logo looks to have been replaced by the plastic cheveron logo.I can faintly see the milled neck right behind the pickup by the pillow mount.Its really hard to tell though. Nice guitar either way!

Bruce Hamilton · Post by **Bruce Hamilton** » 21 Nov 2006 3:02 pm

If you look at the C6 neck in the pictures they show that it is definately a bolt on. Also the lower return springs in the changer picture have wire clips connecting them to the changer. This feature is only on the early wrap arounds and bolt ons. $4500 is probably about the going rate on one of these guitars. The law of supply and demand.

Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 21 Nov 2006 9:53 pm

Serial # is in bolt-on range

Glenn Suchan · Post by **Glenn Suchan** » 22 Nov 2006 7:37 am

I agree with Bruce, it's definately a "bolt-on". All of my push-pulls were/are cut-tails, and I can see in the photos, the changer has the bolt heads screwed through the pillow mounts on the changer axels.

Is it worth $4500? I dunno, maybe.

Keep on pickin'!
Glenn

Randall Miller · Post by **Randall Miller** » 22 Nov 2006 9:25 am

I have a question...My '71 Emmons D-10 came with 'White' colored Atoms on the fretboard. I see many other Emmons, even earlier than mine, with colored Atoms.
Was that an option of a color choice back then that year?
I mean I haven't seen any other white atom fretboard steels on here.

When I ordered mine from a little country store, I don't recall the store owner asking me about which type, or color of fretboard I wanted. I did have a choice of body color and extra knee levers tho.

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1971 Emmons D-10 8/7 #1568 D, Rosewood

Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 22 Nov 2006 10:00 am

I think that "all white" fretboards came standard on the student model and were an option on the pro model if you wanted them.
JE:-)>

Nick Reed · Post by **Nick Reed** » 22 Nov 2006 4:11 pm

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 22 Nov 2006 4:13 pm

What is that on the inside edge of the E9 neck ? Are they controls of some kind ? It's a bit fuzzy.
-John

Lynn Stafford · Post by **Lynn Stafford** » 22 Nov 2006 4:40 pm

Could they be dime-o-labels indicating the key positions at each fret marker?

Tom Quinn · Post by **Tom Quinn** » 23 Nov 2006 10:45 pm

Don't think that boltons had a "D" in the serial number. Nice looking guitar...[This message was edited by Tom Quinn on 23 November 2006 at 10:46 PM.]

Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 23 Nov 2006 11:17 pm

Most bolt-ons that I have seen have D in ser # mine is 1019D I also have a black '66 D-10 with no visable serial number anywhere-It has all the usual '66 bolt-on features

Bruce Hamilton · Post by **Bruce Hamilton** » 23 Nov 2006 11:28 pm

This may be totalling insignificant but it looks like the pickups have been replaced. Boltons had one ply black plastic not black and white. I have heard almost all variations of new and original pickups on old Emmons guitars and they all sound amazing! [This message was edited by Bruce Hamilton on 23 November 2006 at 11:43 PM.]

TRAP TRULY · Post by **TRAP TRULY** » 24 Nov 2006 12:27 am

As Im sure you know the early bolt-ons had invoice #'s (without the 'D' in the number).I have had and also seen 2 different types of old emmons pickups. One was all black like Nick Reeds the other has a thick white center not like the ones today.This is the style I had on mine which was #2838.There have been several guitars sold on this forum in the last year that were bolt-ons w/in the serial # range of this guitar.Here is a cool link with info on the dating of the emmons guitars.I emailed the lady selling the guitar and she is supposed to be uploading more in detail pictures. Man, I love these old Emmons..nothing like 'em.
click here
[This message was edited by TRAP TRULY on 24 November 2006 at 09:43 AM.]

Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 24 Nov 2006 1:43 am

Trap T-the Emmons pickup with the thick layer of white showing that you have on your '66 bolt-on Emmons (and I have on both of mine) is the pickup that I have been accustomed to believing is the ORIGINAL E-66 (as most all '66 bolt-ons that I have seen with original pickups are of that type) As you mentioned Nick's bolt-on appears to have the earlier all black (like '65 wraparounds have) and is probably all original for an early '66 I believe Dyke Corson's bolt-on is another one that has the earlier all black '65 looking pickup

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 24 Nov 2006 6:08 am

My bolt on has the all black pickup and no "D" after the number.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 24 Nov 2006 7:35 am

I have a D-10 black bolt-on and the serial number is 1067D. It is an 8 x 8 and has the white layer in the pickups. Everything is polished under the hood and is a true masterpiece.

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 24 Nov 2006 1:17 pm

Paul, just for the record, I think you're right. I have an early bolt-on (M. Cass says the neck was actually from a '65 and milled to accept the 'new' changer, and it's perhaps a prototype guitar). The pickups are original, and solid black.
-John

TRAP TRULY · Post by **TRAP TRULY** » 24 Nov 2006 1:32 pm

I wonder what the ohm difference was in these pickups or if they differed between the early blacks and later white centered.The pickups on the invoice # bolt-on I owned were around 14.5k and had the white center.What do yours measure?

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 24 Nov 2006 5:33 pm

My Red Belly Bolt-on with an invoice number (so late 65 or early 66) has all black pickup tops and they measure 14.6k and 14.8k AND the controls include a 100K pot. My very late Black Belly Bolt-on (sold last winter) had a serial number 1090D and was loaded with pickups with the white edged tops and the pickups were tapped to around 13 something K ohms and around 20k depending on which tap you had engaged. That guitar had a 250 or 500K pot value, I cannot remember.
Incidentally, there are so many little differences between the Red Belly Bolt-on and the Black Belly that I noticed when i had them side by side. Thickness of end plate castings, pedal stop bar size, screw locations body construction. An easy generalization is that if there was a difference in a part, that part was lighter on the Red Belly than the Black Belly whether it was electronic, cast aluminum or wood. The Red Belly has a moderate amount or roar and a lot os sparkle. The Black Belly, especially with the 20K tap engaged, just plain roared. Well, it still does with its new owner.

Edited to include this: I don't want to mislead anyone -- for example the fingers and pillars and axles were the same between the Red and Black Belly guitars. I assume the pedal racks were the same. The pedal rod connectors were heavier in the Red Belly. But the end plates, the necks and it looked like the keyheads were lighter in the Red Belly. [This message was edited by Chris Lucker on 24 November 2006 at 05:38 PM.]

TRAP TRULY · Post by **TRAP TRULY** » 26 Nov 2006 8:24 am

Well...I had asked the seller for better pictures and I got an email from her this morning saying the guitar had sold even though there is still over a day left on the clock. I Didnt know you could do that on ebay.I guess someone made her a offer she couldnt refuse..

Mike Wheeler · Post by **Mike Wheeler** » 26 Nov 2006 9:02 am

That's against eBay policies and she could get dinged hard if it's reported. Especially if the auction runs it's course and there's a winning bidder. She could run into legal consequences there.