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Topic: Kluson Deluxe Tuners? |
Charles Dempsey
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Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 9 May 2005 5:12 pm |
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Last night I changed strings on my Emmons for the first time, and I thought Kluson tuners were supposed to be hot stuff, but I can't say I think much for these (black button Kluson Deluxe). Some are sloppy, some are stiff, and on some the shaft wiggles so much it feels like it's going to come out.
Is there a direct replacement for these Klusons that's a bit more,........uh,......... modern?
Thanks,
Charlie |
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Mark Herrick
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Bakersfield, CA
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Posted 10 May 2005 12:03 pm
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I believe someone here (Herb Steiner?) recommended the TK_0875-001 models you'll find here:
http://www.allparts.com...TUNINGKEYS
Only problem is you have to buy 4 sets to replace all the keys on a D-10. I'm hoping to replace the butterfly Klusons on my P/P with these at some point. The Klusons seem very sloppy to me...
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 [This message was edited by b0b on 12 May 2005 at 03:38 PM.] |
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 10 May 2005 2:45 pm
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That's them. I've replaced two D-10's with those keys. Expensive but worth it.
Be sure not to get the Kluson 3x3's meant for Mosrite guitars. They have a slot in the shaft similar to Fender electric guitars but otherwise look just like the others. They'll work, but they're not "stock."
The metal keystone Klusons like Emmons used are impossible to find new. I'd say "screw it" and replace a mid-70's guitar with the new button tuners if replacements were necessary.
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 10 May 2005 7:56 pm
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That's the best assortment of tuners I've seen on one website. I'm check'n it out.
I looked at Waverlys and Grover Rotomatics, but hardly any of the parts sites bother to put up dimensional drawings. I couldn't find that info on Kluson (WD Parts) website either.
Schaller is my personal favorite, and I use M6 Minis on all the 6-strings I build. Love them. The M6 Vintage would be my choice if it would work (I doubt it), but maybe the Schaller ST6KG (another antique design) would (Schaller's site doesn't have mechanical drawings either).
My biggest problem with the stock Klusons (other than their being ugly as sin) is that they're notchy. I'm flat, I twist gently, more pressure, more pressure, and "Snap"! I'm sharp. Aaaargh! That (and the bad harmonics on the 6th string behind the nut) has me thinking my next steel will be keyless.
Charlie
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Per Berner
From:
Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 11 May 2005 12:12 am
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Stewart-McDonald have detailed drawings of nearly all the tuners they sell, and they have a lot to choose from.
www.stewmac.com
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´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, '96 Emmons Legrande II D10 8+5, ´76 Sho-Bud Pro III Custom SD10 4+5, Peavey Nashville 1000 |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 11 May 2005 11:07 am
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I get mine from StewMac. I've replaced the tuners on so many p/p's that I have just 2 extra tuners left over so I'll come out even when I order my next 3 sets of 6. 
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 11 May 2005 1:14 pm
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Erv Niehaus
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| I get mine from StewMac. I've replaced the tuners on so many p/p's that I have just 2 extra tuners left over so I'll come out even when I order my next 3 sets of 6. |
Which tuners are you using? Are they direct replacement or do you have to drill?
Charlie (would rather not drill) |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 11 May 2005 1:39 pm
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Charlie,
The ones I get from StewMac are direct replacements, no drilling or anything of the sort required. If you pull up the StewMac site and type in the number 0933, that will bring up the tuners I use. They sell for $32.84 for a set of 6 tuners and if you buy more than 3 sets (which you will need), the price drops to $25.86/set.
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 11 May 2005 at 02:41 PM.] |
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David Mullis
From:
Rock Hill, SC
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Posted 11 May 2005 4:07 pm
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| The Gotoh copies are just as good and a LOT cheaper................ |
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 12 May 2005 2:33 pm
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I e-mailed Stew Mac and asked if they stocked a sealed tuner with the same specs as the Gotoh 0933. Here's the reply: quote:
Unfortunately, we do not have stock a sealed tuner with a post as short as the #0933. The sealed back machines have a post that is around .160" longer.
All of the technical specifications for the tuners we stock can be found in our catalog and on our website. Compare these specs to help find a suitable machine.
I'm off to do some more research.
Charlie |
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Bill Duve
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Limestone .New York, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2006 4:48 pm
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| Im ordering a set of the Gotoh 0933 for an MSA and the guy I emailed for answers seemed about ready to ask his boss to let him break a set to make a set of 10 so I heckeled him abit more about it, Mebby if we beat stewmac enough they will do just that ? |
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Bill Duve
From:
Limestone .New York, USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2006 3:28 pm
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Im just at this time starting to replace my Kluson Deluxe with the Gotoh 0933 from Stewmac..They fit like an old shoe,
I thought at first they were different because I had to hit the end of the plate with a file to make them fit into the corner of the Machine head but now see that MSA hit that end on a grinder also.
One item worth mention, MSA Semi Classic used Kluson, MSA Classic used Grovers, a larger shaft...... |
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Bill Duve
From:
Limestone .New York, USA
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Posted 15 Nov 2006 3:43 pm
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| Just another note, I just counted the turns and the Gotoh is a higher gear ratio than the old Kluson which should make it easier to fine tune (I hope)The Kluson took 12 half turns on the key for a half turn on the shaft, the Gotoh took 16.. |
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