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Topic: No changer axle to clean on this steel. |
Johnie King
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 10:33 am |
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Wayne takes the Blanton for a spin wow!!
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Johnie King
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 10:38 am
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 12:24 pm
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Several steels used the "knife" or "blade" pivots. Fender's PS210 comes to mind, which used this mechanical approach within most of it's pivots.
Most of all there is "technically" no friction surface. But it would require materials wich stay sharp on the "blade" side and don't get eaten up on the changer-finger side.
the other advantage would be that the fear of "changer axle" deflection would seem cured.
... J-D.
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 1:44 pm
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| J D Sauser wrote: |
Most of all there is "technically" no friction surface. But it would require materials wich stay sharp on the "blade" side and don't get eaten up on the changer-finger side.
... J-D. |
I have the first Blanton made. It is a 1964 D10. Jerry sold it tome twelve or fourteen years ago. Wear at the pivot point is not an issue. The guitar was well used by the first owner and it was Jerry's main guitar after he got it back from the first owner in exchange for a new model. There is only minor wear that the solid nuts as well.
This is the first Blanton I have seen without a wraparound metal frame.
The first Fender pedal steels also have no axles.
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 2:52 pm
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From a friction point it is very interesting solution. From an engineering point make the pivot bar as big and full supported full length as wanted, No axle bend.
What happens when a string breaks?
On stage break a 3rd string. Is the finger captive?
Do you just hunt up the broken end and replace the string, Or does the finger fall off the pivot bar and now the hunt is on, Too find the changer finger and get it back on the pivot bar, As part of replacing a broken string quickly.
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2022 3:12 pm
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No, the finger does not dislocate. It stays in place because a "comb" traps the fingers in place -- at least on Blanton #1.
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2022 7:47 pm
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| That is an interesting addition to No.1. I would say someone added it to cure the exact problem, I wondered and asked about. They added the comb section to keep the finger from jumping off the knife edge and falling down in the changer area. |
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2022 8:18 pm
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No one added "it." The guitar was owned by the person to whom Jerry Ballot sold his first guitar; then Jerry B when he received it as a trade-in; and then me, after Jerry played it for several years and turning it into a loafer because he does not play C6. Funny thing, Jerry gave me all the parts to replace the C6 neck, but the scales are different. He shortened the E9 neck (solid nut, remember) but did not shorten the back neck. As my guitar stands now, I have a 25 inch scale C6 neck and a 24 1/4" scale E9 neck. (I think. Might be 24".)
I want a pair of original 25" scale necks, but Jerry had no more 25" scale fretboards.
I like longer scale pedal steels, particularly long scale Emmons.
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Ron Pruter
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2022 3:27 pm
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Wow. That's how one could build a guitar with adjustable intonation. Something I'd love to have. The knife edge piece could be fastened to the frame of the changer via a screw that goes through a slot allowing you to move it forward or back.😁
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2022 11:34 am
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Or make adjustable the way Sho-Bud and others did for years with slots in the axle supports.
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2022 8:49 pm
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By putting some spacers between changer fingers, For a little clearance between them. And then setting the bar up on a milling machine to cut the bottom angle. You could change the length of each string. Just like a good luther off sets strings on the bridge, Or adjustable bridges on some 6 string guitars.
It would be a good experiment, But like some things that look good on paper may not work in reality.
Cutting the bevel on the bottom of the bar back or forward for each finger would allow staggering string length to what needed for perfect fret to fret note.
But may cause problems somewhere in other parts of the pull chain. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2022 12:47 pm
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I understand Mr. Blanton is making PSGs again in San Antonio.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 12 Jun 2022 5:43 pm
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| Ron Pruter wrote: |
| Wow. That's how one could build a guitar with adjustable intonation. Something I'd love to have. The knife edge piece could be fastened to the frame of the changer via a screw that goes through a slot allowing you to move it forward or back. |
Theoretically, I would believe, that's only required on string instruments where the string is pressed down on the fingerboard to make a note. The extra tension from deflection, and the differing tension on each string at each fret, is where some kind of adjustment to counteract the differences is beneficial. On steel guitars, since we use a bar and the string deflection is minimal, I don't think that has yet been proven to be necessary. Elsewise, I think we'd be seeing individually-adjustable bridges on non-pedal steels, and on keyless pedal steels, where that adaptation would be fairly simple.
But I'm open to hearing other opinions. |
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