Anybody able to identify this steel?

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Alex McCollough
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Anybody able to identify this steel?

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A friend of mine came across it and can't figure out what it may be (other than homebuilt):

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Mark Perrodin
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first guess

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Miller?
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Measure from the nut to the bridge (top of the changer fingers) if it’s 23 inches or 23.5 most likely gonna be a Miller. It does look like a later one. Non Miller pedals though.
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I would buy it just for that inlay.
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Daniel McKee wrote:Measure from the nut to the bridge (top of the changer fingers) if it’s 23 inches or 23.5 most likely gonna be a Miller. It does look like a later one. Non Miller pedals though.
It's right at 24"
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My guess is not a Miller, I think it's Homemade. Not a Miller style changer or under carriage.



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Everything points to it being homemade and yes, the inlay is the best bit.

I wonder how it works/sounds.
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miller?

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The bell cranks and other parts in the undercarriage are identical to a Miller I once had.
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I'd guess a Marlin
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It's a Johnny Cash guitar, "I got it one piece at a time."
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I’m sure this has been discussed somewhere before, but I can’t locate it so I’m going to ask if the similarities to the Emmons PP have been noticed/discussed. I don’t intend for this to be malicious; I’m curious if this design is pre or post Emmons PP. I haven’t found a patent for the Miller yet….gosh, I really like seeing the evolvement of the instrument. Thanks for any feedback or direction.

The 2-piece finger assembly, the angle retainer for lowering finger tension, the row of tuning holes on the endplate:
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Post by Lee Baucum »

That inlay on the front looks a lot like the one on Herb's guitar:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... c&start=25

Also similar to the guitars in the pictures posted by Steve Waltz:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=205652
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Maybe a Cherokee Steel. A guy in Ada, Ok made some of these. I cannot think of his name now but used to have a show on TV out of Ada. Also had a music store and help a lot of guys back in the day. J.R.
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Charlie Weaver maybe. If Larry Hamilton see this he can tells us. J.R.
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Post by Bobby D. Jones »

The inlay looks a little different between the guitar and the one in the other forum section. It does not have the V sections where the Front Apron goes under the End Plates. From the parts under the guitar do not look hand made. May have been a earlier or later model.

I am wondering if the guitar was in a bad accident, Or maybe in a auto wreck and the cabinet severely damaged. Some one who was a good craftsman built a new cabinet and replaced the mechanics from the damaged guitar.

There once was a company in Chicago IL, That had many fancy inlays of veneer and border strips. When I was in high school the wood shop teacher had their catalog, Many students ordered fancy inlays to use making jewelry boxes with.
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