Most stable all-pull guitar

Ben Godard · Post by **Ben Godard** » 13 Mar 2022 11:17 am

This is probably gonna have a vast array of answers but I was wanting opinions of the best guitar that stays in tune tbe best

My 78 push pull is the best I have ever seen for staying in tune but that’s a push-pull for you. I am wanting to a new modern guitar. I’ve really tempted to get that new MSA tour Pro 10 and 6. Any ideas or pointers would be appreciated

Craig Bailey · Post by **Craig Bailey** » 13 Mar 2022 6:32 pm

Hard to beat a Mullen. The are extremely stable

Dale Rivard · Post by **Dale Rivard** » 14 Mar 2022 8:07 am

I couldn't agree more Craig. Not only are they very stable but you can get them in tune. By that I mean, you don't need compensators for over return issues.

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 14 Mar 2022 2:06 pm

Mullen, hands down.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 14 Mar 2022 2:22 pm

Kline by a mile

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 14 Mar 2022 3:39 pm

Williams, no doubt about it. Best by 2 miles.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 14 Mar 2022 6:28 pm

The 1968 Sho~Bud Crossover, once all the spot welding has been completed.

Cody Stewart · Post by **Cody Stewart** » 15 Mar 2022 4:40 am

Having worked on just about every brand of all pull systems, I would have to say, Infinity and ZumSteel. Mullen coming in a close 3rd.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 15 Mar 2022 5:25 am

It will be a trade off. In my experience some all pulls are more stable than others but none are as stable as a PP.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 15 Mar 2022 5:56 am

I've had several, including a PP, Franklin and GFI (both keyed and keyless). The most "stable" for me was the GFI Ultra D-10 keyed version.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 15 Mar 2022 6:23 am

Herb, you mean before it was rodded, strung & played?
Missed you in Dallas...

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 15 Mar 2022 7:49 am

Skip Edwards wrote:Herb, you mean before it was rodded, strung & played?
Missed you in Dallas...

Skip, I really wanted to be there. On Monday night, I started getting chest congested, so on Tuesday I thought I should just be careful and got a Covid rapid test at CVS. Imagine my surprise and dismay when it came back POSITIVE. So that sealed the deal and I contacted the TSGA on Wednesday and told them I couldn't attend.

I'm triple vaxxed, so the effects of the disease weren't severe at all; just a head/chest cold and not even a bad one at that. Matter of fact, today is one week since discovery and I'm already over it and feeling fine. But my disappointment at missing the show and the cameraderie still lingers.

Ben Godard · Post by **Ben Godard** » 15 Mar 2022 10:36 am

Thank for the advice guys. I’ve heard great things about Jackson guitars. And MSA seems to be really advanced. I haven’t heard any input on these regarding stability. Anyone got anything to say about MSA or Jackson

David Ball · Post by **David Ball** » 15 Mar 2022 10:40 am

I have a Jackson Pro IV and it's among the most stable guitars I've had. Set it and go.

Dave

Jim Cooley · Post by **Jim Cooley** » 15 Mar 2022 10:48 am

My MSA SD10 is very stable. I have four other steels of various brands and vintages. All these guitars have been set up by extremely accomplished mechanics. I believe that is a significant factor.

Johnny Cox · Post by **Johnny Cox** » 15 Mar 2022 11:32 am

You will get a million opinions. Most of the modern guitars such as Mullen, MSA, Infinity, Williams,Jackson are all stable and play and sound great. Of course the more changes you put on any guitar the more opportunity for tuning issues.

Larry Bressington · Post by **Larry Bressington** » 15 Mar 2022 1:18 pm

I have found the cheap strings to be just as stable as the expensive ones, old sho-bud gauges with a wound 6th, that'll keep most guitars stable.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 15 Mar 2022 8:11 pm

Johnny Cox wrote:You will get a million opinions. Most of the modern guitars such as Mullen, MSA, Infinity, Williams,Jackson are all stable and play and sound great. Of course the more changes you put on any guitar the more opportunity for tuning issues.

I agree totally with that. Most all modern guitars are quite stable as long as they are set up and maintained properly, and the strings are installed properly.

Lee Dassow · Post by **Lee Dassow** » 15 Mar 2022 8:30 pm

MSA's, BMI's and Mullen. T.L.

Jim Pitman · Post by **Jim Pitman** » 28 Mar 2022 3:58 pm

I'm with Doug. Kline.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 28 Mar 2022 9:54 pm

Hysteresis has been the bane of my existence, especially on the 4th string of E9th. I'm happy to say that on new Sierra guitars by Ross Shafer, the problem is well below the threshold of audible perception.

In the past, I always had to decide which knee I should tune the open string for, raising the E's or lowering them? No more. They both come back to the same point. Same with the 10th string. No extra rod needed - the magic is all in the changer finger design.

Dave Meis · Post by **Dave Meis** » 28 Mar 2022 10:45 pm

Mullen.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 29 Mar 2022 12:06 am

Another vote for Williams and a first one, I think, for Excel.

But surely all modern makers strive for stability. The internet makes it so easy for us to compare notes that there's no longer any excuse to be left behind.

I guess that applies to all products, not just pedal steels!

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