S10 or S12?

Ryan Lunenfeld · Post by **Ryan Lunenfeld** » 19 Dec 2021 2:13 pm

What would your suggestion be? I had a d10 before, but the second neck I never ended up using.

The band I play with regularly tends to have songs in G and B. Americana/country type stuff, with simple solos for myself.

Is spacing a concern with S12? (mainly thinking about getting a Fuzzy PSG for weight)

For what it's worth, I've stripped my 6 string Gibson EH185 to a 4 string... so i can slide easier on the 5th string. I was thinking a pedal steel I can be more accurate with note changes and fit in easier. HMm.

Maybe I'm too stupid for PSG and should just stick to lap steel though haha

K Maul · Post by **K Maul** » 19 Dec 2021 2:57 pm

String spacing on a 12 should be the same as on a 10. For what you want to play I think an extended E9 would suit you very well.
EXCEL steels are top shelf. Contact Mitsuo (Fuzzy) and tell him what you want. He works quite quickly and prices are reasonable.
I have a keyless S-11 with 4+5 and love it!

Chris Brooks · Post by **Chris Brooks** » 19 Dec 2021 7:24 pm

Twelve!

Dave Hopping · Post by **Dave Hopping** » 19 Dec 2021 10:39 pm

What Chris said!

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 19 Dec 2021 10:45 pm

I spent many nights playing a S10 in a four piece band. If I had to do it again, I'd go with a S11, for that low E string.
JMHO...

J Fletcher · Post by **J Fletcher** » 20 Dec 2021 5:15 am

Got a feeling an S10 with 3 pedals and 4 levers will be more that enough for what you want to do .

Jim Pitman · Post by **Jim Pitman** » 20 Dec 2021 7:28 pm

My OP, for the reason that Skip mentions, go with an 11 or 12, especially if the band is doing any rock material and you have to backup a lead player with rhythm. Root on the bottom is very handy.

Benjamin Davidson · Post by **Benjamin Davidson** » 20 Dec 2021 8:43 pm

If you've gone D10, and didn't use the back neck, and I'm gonna make an assumption here and say you probably aren't looking at a Universal set up either.

I still recommend an S12, you gain a lower register. String spacing would be the same, just a wider changer. And you can keep a Copedent set up that you are used to.

I like the Justice, but at this point in my playing knowing what I know now and how I progressed, I would have started on a proper 12 string steel.

Dennis Montgomery · Post by **Dennis Montgomery** » 20 Dec 2021 9:54 pm

I'd say get an S12 in extended E9. Look at it this way, if you get an S12 and decide those extra bass strings are too much to deal with you can always take them off and have an S10

Geoff Noble · Post by **Geoff Noble** » 23 Dec 2021 6:45 am

I'm on my second 12 string and couldn't go back to playing 10 string again. I started off going with a Uni setup but recently converted my steel to Ext E9 which I prefer as I never really got to grips with B6 tuning.

The string spacing is different on a 12 string, i.e. the strings are closer together, takes a wee bit of adjustment but it soon becomes 2nd nature.

Larry Ball · Post by **Larry Ball** » 23 Dec 2021 9:23 am

I have both..Use them both..

String spacing is a touch different but you adjust quickly.

I would recommend the SD12 Extended E9..( more options)

Jeremy Threlfall · Post by **Jeremy Threlfall** » 23 Dec 2021 7:59 pm

fwiw, id go an S11 for a low G#. i rarely use the low E on my S12

Mike Vallandigham · Post by **Mike Vallandigham** » 24 Dec 2021 6:32 am

An S11 would be sweet and pretty unique. Mitsuo at Fussy will do that.

Yeah, go for an S12 or S11 at least.

If you have any questions about Excels, lemme know. I'm happy to talk about mine.
I ordered from Mitsuo directly and have ordered things from time to time, so I know how it goes (smoothly is how it goes)

Mike

K Maul · Post by **K Maul** » 24 Dec 2021 9:34 am

Mitsuo made my S-11 with no problem when other US makers I asked balked. He had it done in 3-4 months as I recall. Here it is. The knee lever and pedal bar attachment design are brilliant. I put in some effects and there was plenty of room.

Jamie Mitchell · Post by **Jamie Mitchell** » 26 Dec 2021 7:41 am

Jim Pitman wrote:My OP, for the reason that Skip mentions, go with an 11 or 12, especially if the band is doing any rock material and you have to backup a lead player with rhythm. Root on the bottom is very handy.

Yep! It's even nicer if you can get a power chord three strings in a row somehow. Kinda throws off some of the other stuff to get there, though.

Eddy Dunlap · Post by **Eddy Dunlap** » 26 Dec 2021 8:16 am

Ryan, I think having two necks will give you more musical options than a single 12. I play alot of power chord doubling and gang-licks on C6th matching the guitar parts in the studio. Not to mention, being a lap based player you can navigate around on a 6th based tuning without pedals a lot more efficiently than a chromatic style tuning like E9th(which really needs the pedal movements to make it sweet to the ear and not stiff)