Hollow neck spider resonator???
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Hollow neck spider resonator???
I am getting stuff together to build a lap style resonator, and my over-active imagination asks "why not a hollow neck, like a Weissenborn, with a normal spider cone Reso?" Maybe lighter (or not), more volume in the body might give enhanced bass response, interesting to make... Has anyone made one or tried one?
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Like this? Interesting instrument. Search Tutbro on youtube for some nice sounds. Norman Blake et al. have some there.
One particular video by Curtis Burch I think, has a great tone. https://youtu.be/bY39L1fJ2dg
I probably would have bought one of these if I knew they existed at the time.
Too Bad. Tut's gone and they're not built anymore.
Maybe you can get them going again?
Like this? Interesting instrument. Search Tutbro on youtube for some nice sounds. Norman Blake et al. have some there.
One particular video by Curtis Burch I think, has a great tone. https://youtu.be/bY39L1fJ2dg
I probably would have bought one of these if I knew they existed at the time.
Too Bad. Tut's gone and they're not built anymore.
Maybe you can get them going again?
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Mine is a wood clone of a National Style 3...with a hollow neck, just like the brass ones have. Made from myrtle and rosewood by Ben Bonham, and yes, it has a nice airy Weissenborn-like thing happening...
(https://www.instagram.com/bonhamdesign , bensound@gorge.net).
(https://www.instagram.com/bonhamdesign , bensound@gorge.net).
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Ben Bonham "CooderNator" archtop parlor electric reso w/Fishman & Lollar string-through
Ben Bonham "ResoBorn" deep parlor acoustic reso with Weissenborn neck and Fishman
Ben Bonham Style 3 Tricone., 1954 Oahu Diana, 1936 Oahu Parlor Squareneck
Williams S10s, Milkman Pedal Steel Mini & "The Amp"
Ben Bonham "CooderNator" archtop parlor electric reso w/Fishman & Lollar string-through
Ben Bonham "ResoBorn" deep parlor acoustic reso with Weissenborn neck and Fishman
Ben Bonham Style 3 Tricone., 1954 Oahu Diana, 1936 Oahu Parlor Squareneck
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Steve Lipsey wrote:Mine is a wood clone of a National Style 3...with a hollow neck, just like the brass ones have. Made from myrtle and rosewood by Ben Bonham, and yes, it has a nice airy Weissenborn-like thing happening...
(https://www.instagram.com/bonhamdesign , bensound@gorge.net).
Ooooh... there’s that Ben Bonham work again... damn... do I need another Weiss?
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Is Marv Flueger (Cat Can w/Duane Marrs) still around? He used to make hollow neck spider bridge guitars. Members here own or owned them. If memory serves, Paul Franklin has or had one.
When they were in production, I don't think they really caught on with that many players.
A thread from 2012:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1990151
When they were in production, I don't think they really caught on with that many players.
A thread from 2012:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1990151
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Marv isn’t building guitars too much at this time but you can always ask! He is a super guy and makes great instruments. I have a hollow neck 8 string dobro, a semi-hollow Weissenborn style and a compact doubleneck console steel all made by Marv. He had a website but looks like it is down.
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I've played a bunch, and IMO they seem to get the worst from the Dobro and hollow neck worlds - a weirdly nasal, metallic sound with a deep, ringing sound like pounding on a 55-gallon metal drum.
I own a real Weissenborn Style 2 and severaal resonators, my favorites a 2017 solid maple Appalachian with no soundwell and tuned rim supportsports to the :screenless) holes qand a '36 Dobro Model 37.
If you want a bigger air chamber and a spider bridge I'd have Tom Warner build you an ultra-deep Appy squareneck with no well, tuned supports and posts. I think the extra-deep body construction without a wooden soundwell - if done correctly, and Tom REALLY knows how to get the sound out of them - is an overall better tonal platform than a hollow-neck/spider combo.
I own a real Weissenborn Style 2 and severaal resonators, my favorites a 2017 solid maple Appalachian with no soundwell and tuned rim supportsports to the :screenless) holes qand a '36 Dobro Model 37.
If you want a bigger air chamber and a spider bridge I'd have Tom Warner build you an ultra-deep Appy squareneck with no well, tuned supports and posts. I think the extra-deep body construction without a wooden soundwell - if done correctly, and Tom REALLY knows how to get the sound out of them - is an overall better tonal platform than a hollow-neck/spider combo.
No chops, but great tone
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1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
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Your build
Did you build yours? I built a couple this year.
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Here is my tricone weiss :
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... e&start=50
And I did the same with a spider:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... ight=dobro
Really happy with both.
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... e&start=50
And I did the same with a spider:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtop ... ight=dobro
Really happy with both.
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Hey Xavier, I just built a tricone Weiss which I am very happy with.
How would you describe the sound differences with the spider cone?
How would you describe the sound differences with the spider cone?
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1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
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Jeff,
Hard to say the part of the hollow neck in the sound difference... as all my 3 spider resos sound different, but have different cones too, and surely different setups. (a F60 dobro from 2010, and 2 homemade ones, one hollow neck and one round neck, plus the hollow neck tricone)
If you biuld one, be sure to brace with spruce (5 mm thick) the whole height of the neck sides. Really hard to have a perfecly straight neck sides if you don't.Spruce is light and stiff enough.
I didn't as you can see, and it was a pain.
The hollow neck is stiffer for me, and really much lighter... more comfortable.
The minus is about finding a case where it fits... I had to order a custom Hoffee case for mine.
here's the round neck:
Hard to say the part of the hollow neck in the sound difference... as all my 3 spider resos sound different, but have different cones too, and surely different setups. (a F60 dobro from 2010, and 2 homemade ones, one hollow neck and one round neck, plus the hollow neck tricone)
If you biuld one, be sure to brace with spruce (5 mm thick) the whole height of the neck sides. Really hard to have a perfecly straight neck sides if you don't.Spruce is light and stiff enough.
I didn't as you can see, and it was a pain.
The hollow neck is stiffer for me, and really much lighter... more comfortable.
The minus is about finding a case where it fits... I had to order a custom Hoffee case for mine.
here's the round neck:
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Hi Xavier, thanks for the reply
I was asking about the differences in sound between hollow neck tricone and hollow neck Spider
Yes I used spruce doublers in the neck.
I was asking about the differences in sound between hollow neck tricone and hollow neck Spider
Yes I used spruce doublers in the neck.
Duesenberg Fairytale
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone
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Always need one more.....
I replaced the cones in my tricone with NRP hotrod cones, could not percieve any real difference over the original kit cones.
I replaced the cones in my tricone with NRP hotrod cones, could not percieve any real difference over the original kit cones.
Duesenberg Fairytale
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone
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