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Topic: Help! lower problem! string 8 |
Doug Seymour
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Jamestown NY USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 4:34 am |
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| Lowering string 8, the raise finger moves before the lower gets the string to Eb, which of course means that the string doesn't lower to the right pitch. I remember seeing this problem years ago on some all pull steels, but it's been so long, I don't recall the solution. Anyone?? |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 6:30 am
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You need more travel in the rod that lowers the string.
You do not have enough travel in the rod so subsequently you keep tightning the nut and that's where you run into the problem. Move that rod further out on the bellcrank, away from the cross shaft. [This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 19 August 2006 at 07:31 AM.] |
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Doug Seymour
From:
Jamestown NY USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 7:06 am
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| nice try......not that. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 7:19 am
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Doug, here are things to try. If it is a LeGrande or other brand that has the split tuner make sure the set screw behind the changer is out enough to allow the lower to complete. Otherwise, the return spring is too tight, incorrect guage string, a broken string ball end is in the changer, changer needs lube and is binding or you need to move the lowering pull rod down to the bottom hole in the changer lowering finger to get it further away from the pivot.
Jerry |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 8:06 am
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If it's a Sho-Bud, you might check if there's a "helper" spring on the raise. If so, you could try taking it out.
THIS ONLY APPLIES TO LATER MODEL SHO-BUDS:
(as far as I know)
If it's a later model Sho-Bud you might have the common problem of the lower finger wearing a groove in the pull finger, because of the pot metal pull finger being too soft. If changing the lever travel and/or which hole the pull rod attaches to in the bell crank and/or changer doesn't fix the problem, changer repair would be needed. One option short of replacing the whole changer (not a bad idea) is to switch the 8th string finger with one from another string that doesn't have a lower, if you have one.[This message was edited by Brint Hannay on 19 August 2006 at 09:55 AM.] [This message was edited by Brint Hannay on 19 August 2006 at 12:42 PM.] |
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Doug Seymour
From:
Jamestown NY USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 Aug 2006 11:45 am
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| I think Jerry has nailed it.....it is maybe part BMI. Sorry I didn't tell you more about the steel. I don't know the gauge of the 8th string.....it may be too light. The guitar is pretty dirty......might be an issue? I'm suspecting the return spring being too stiff. The rod is in the bottom hole for lowering & no matter where it's placed on the bell crank, the problem still seems to be there. Thanks to all of you who took an intrest in helping. It's gone back to the owner, all 46# of it. Too much for me to put on the work bench any more! I did switch changer fingers on a SuperPro one time, put the 7 in place of the 8, but in this case I didn't feel I was up to taking the changer apart. Smaller shaft than I've seen before & I couldn't believe it, but the E9th neck (front) was 1/4" thicker than the back neck. The deck was perfectly flat no 1/4" step! [This message was edited by Doug Seymour on 19 August 2006 at 12:51 PM.] |
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