Super Finger" Tech Talk

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 20 Jul 2005 3:45 pm

John...could you email me the price as well for a D10 Super Pro? Thanks.

Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ

Loren Morehouse · Post by **Loren Morehouse** » 20 Jul 2005 4:12 pm

Ricky, I love the looks of these fingers, but has there been any tonal change?? I don't want to spoil that Bud sound!! Loren.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 20 Jul 2005 4:59 pm

Curt to be more specific.
This "Super finger" replaces the double raise/double lower and Triple raise/double lower fingers that were made for the Pro-II "Custom and Pro-III "Custom and Super Pro. Those Sho-bud's aren't particularly the vintage Sho-bud; as to me the Vintage Sho-bud was the Permenant and Fingertip and Professional and all single raise/single lower barrel tuning Sho-buds(however; John can retro-fit these in them; but more indepth work is needed). The reason I specify is because there was ZERO inharent problems with those vintage Changer fingers.
Loren that is an extremely hard question to answer in a word; as you have to account many things and arrive at your own conclusion of what you want to know/learn. I will try to explain.
The strings vibrate on the fingers and rollers. So what are the fingers made out of and how are they mounted and work and what are they mounted to; and how,(the body and type);; and what is pulling them and how are they pulled and what is that stuff made of and how are they mounted> IS the overall Tone of the pedal steel and voice related. The Voice of a particular pedal steel can be altered in many ways; including every little part down the line of vibration.
Changing just the fingers to the Super Fingers; with everything else the same; in my opinion; you are not doing enough to change the Tone of the Guitar; but giving it a different texture of Voice. This particular Super Finger Voice is what EVERYONE is wanting and would want their Sho-bud to be. Example would be; take a person that does not Smoke and listen to him sing and he has a nice clear voice and great tone. Now have him sit in a room full of smoke and suck down about 15 cigars in 2 hours. Now listen to him sing> his Tone is the same; but his voice is now not as clear as it was> Get my drift????
The Super Finger is the clearest Voice of the great Tone of the Sho-bud at hand; that I've ever heard.
Well I can go on and on trying to explain but redundancy WILL happen I'm sure.
Just chew on that; and I'm sure you will get what I was trying to explain.
Now my opinion after playing Murph's Sho-bud Pro-II Custom pictured above; after playing more than a dozen Pro-II Customs that were from original to total retro-fitted upgranded(what ever could possibly be done to alter a Sho-bud like it); Murph's Sho-bud Blew All them Clear out of the Water with the most wonderful Voice of a Sho-bud Tone I EVER HEARD> EVER.
So If I was to answer your question without taking the time to explain; it would be "Yes of course"; but then I would refer you to all the comments above and the many many comments I've made on this subject over time and hopefully one can tell the difference between voice and Tone(which is pretty hard to do..ha..

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Now if you change completly everything; You are getting damn close to changing the overall tone of the Sho-bud...and I highly Recommend one NOT doing that; if they want a Sho-bud sound. But if you do want to change many things in the vibration line; I HIGHLY> did I say highly?? YES: HIGHLY; recommend you look at what John R. Coop Sr. has to accompany that line of vibration in ever aspect. His parts are made of the highest quality for Tonal and movement purposes; than anything I've ever seen Made> for the Sho-bud that is.

Ricky

Loren Morehouse · Post by **Loren Morehouse** » 20 Jul 2005 7:41 pm

Thanks Ricky, again you da man!! Can't thank you enough for all your wisdom and expertise on these instruments!! And it's so nice to get an explanation and details on these subjects!! Means so much to all us steelers. Loren.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 21 Jul 2005 10:00 am

Your Welcome Loren.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 21 Jul 2005 7:11 pm

Just awesome! This sounds pretty historic for "Shobuds"! VERY exciting! Talk on, talk on!

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 24 Jul 2005 5:55 am

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 24 Jul 2005 6:27 pm

The orders for these is really growing fast. If you are wanting a set of these, you better get your name in the hat. Coop

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 26 Jul 2005 8:01 pm

James Cann · Post by **James Cann** » 29 Jul 2005 4:02 pm

<SMALL>This "Super finger" replaces the double raise/double lower and Triple raise/double lower fingers that were made for the Pro-II "Custom and Pro-III "Custom and Super Pro.</SMALL>

Will they fit an LDG?

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 29 Jul 2005 5:35 pm

James...Yes, they will fit an LDG. What year LDG? Could you E-Mail me some info on it? Coop

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 11 Aug 2005 12:11 pm

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 13 Aug 2005 6:54 am

John
Could you email me your price for the Pro 111 Custom fingers - triple raise & double lower.

Many thanks

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 13 Aug 2005 6:58 am

My guitar is now 30 years old and has grooves worn in the finger rollers. A real pain for me too is trying to get my bottom C string on my C6th neck to sit in the groove on the changer when changing strings. I dread it every times I change strings. John's new fingers could well be the answer to my prayers.

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 13 Aug 2005 10:17 am

Ken...Sent you an E-Mail. Coop

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 13 Aug 2005 11:22 am

John, I sent you the pics again for the RKR.
And for superfinger prices.

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 13 Aug 2005 3:59 pm

David..I sent you an E-Mail. Thanks. Coop

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 14 Aug 2005 1:04 am

John I got it.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 14 Aug 2005 1:06 am

After tuesday I will be back on shobuddist@yahoo.co.uk ,

The "animatic" computer will be boxed and on the road for the next month.
DD

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 18 Aug 2005 5:57 am

Joseph De Feo · Post by **Joseph De Feo** » 19 Aug 2005 3:23 am

I got my C6 neck, with new Superfingers, up
and running this week. As I was re-rodding,
my set of E9 superfingers arrived. I got
a chance to fire up C6, and to let everyone
know, these fingers are ALL John and Ricky
say they are!

The tone was still ShoBud,
just so much more of it. Brighter and fatter, with so much more detail in notes
and chords. Like a blanket had been taken
off my amp! If your thinking about an
improvement for your Bud, and need a lot of
bang for your buck, this is it.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 19 Aug 2005 9:26 am

AMEN Joseph> that "Blanket off the Amp" comment is a Perfect assessment and discription of the difference between good parts; and the highest quality in material and design, that John Coop does.
Good for you man.
Ricky

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 23 Aug 2005 10:15 pm

Thanks Joe. I could'nt have said it better myself. Coop

John Coop · Post by **John Coop** » 3 Aug 2006 5:49 am

Steven Black · Post by **Steven Black** » 12 Aug 2006 6:46 am

Hey Jon, are these the same fingers going into my Sho-Bud? they look nice.