Rickenbacher Bakelite 7-string

[Loren Tilley]

$1600 plus shipping. 1.5” horseshoe pickup. Volume only, chrome plates, one replaced tuner. Good sound, pickup was rewound by Tom Brantley. Original case in ok shape. Shipping is from Hawaii.

[Nic Neufeld]

HÅ« ka nani!

That's a competitive price, from what I've seen lately. Good luck with your sale (almost sad to see one possibly leaving its ancestral homeland though )[/u]

[Kevin Glandon]

This is a great piece..however it appears to have had a headstock repair. Is this so?

[Loren Tilley]

Not sure what you mean by a headstock repair, but I’m not aware of that.

[Kevin Glandon]

In the shot of the headstock, the treble side in front of the nut appears to have had been repaired. Not trying to cause alarm. Just curious.

[Loren Tilley]

I just pulled it out again and inspected--there is no repair that I can detect. It is just the way the Bakelite is.

[Kevin Glandon]

Glad to hear that. Best of luck with your sale. It will be a cherished instrument for someone.

[Garry Vanderlinde]

Nice guitar! What's the serial #?
Is it Pat Pending? Probably pre August 10, 1937.

[J D Sauser]

Nice guitar! What's the serial #?
Is it Pat Pending? Probably pre 1937.

Yes, this is the "Real Deal". B Models were introduced late 1933 (officially '34).
The first 2 years still had NO tone control and kept the Fripan Octogonal volume control only. It is unclear how early exactly the 7 string became available, but for certain by 37 they were around. Jerry Byrds first B was a B6. B7's were created on JB's request.
No "Pat. Pend" is (given the lack of tone-control) beyond the point but evident.
All would point toward 1935/36

$1600.oo is in my opinion a "give-away". Only the fewest were born as 7 strings.



... J-D.

I wrote this 20 years ago:


As posted May 21st. 2001 on the Non-Pedal section of the Steelguitar Forum by:
J D Sauser
Member
From: Palm-Beach, FL

THE RICKENBACHER "B"-MODEL TIME LINE (As I see it):
Note: I have posted similar information on this Forum before. This is my latest review on these instruments and while there still might be some "bugs", I think and hope it will help you identify better your instrument or any guitar you might consider for sale or purchase. However, I do not guarantee the information below (don't you come sue me!)
GENERAL INFORMATION:
B-models where introduced in 1933/4. They where the company's second steel guitar model after the legendary "A"-model (aka. the "Fry-pan"). A Standard guitar version was also issued but with much less success.
As on the "Fry-pan" they all featured an electromagnetic "Horse-shoe-magnet"-pick-up, invented not by Mr. A. Rickenbacher, but his partner, Mr. Beauchamp. The company was issued a patent on the pick-up in 1937.
The body was entirely made of the world's first plastic; Urea-Formaldehyde (aka. "Bakelite"), black in color (much like the old telephones), a concept for which the company immediately filed and received a patent.
The neck was bolted onto the body. This was the first electric solid body instrument with this feature ever (a feature they seem to have forgotten to file a patent for... Oooops).
"PRE-WAR" MODELS (The first generation):
All pre-1940 (aka. pre-war) models have all of the following characteristics:
1-1/2" wide pick-up plates/No frame around the pick-up (until 1944/45).
Bridge integrated in the body molding (until 1944/45)
Five cover plates are chrome plated brass (non-magnetic), not white nor celluloid.
No cover over key head.
Frets are not out lined by recessed white lines.
1 or 2 controls: If two, they're located on opposite plates, not both on the treble side plate. If one (volume), chances are the knob will be of an octagonal shape (first two years). Starting 1940 (second genreation, see below) both controls on the treble side.
String through the body attach (until 1944/45 and again in the 1950's)
Small horizontal "Rickenbacher Electro (RF) Los Angeles" logo on key head (Note the spelling: it's Rickenbacher).
1/4" plug on facing the player. (Starting 1940 it's on the other side, facing the audience).
Edges of the body (corpus) are not rounded but some have a slight 45 degree bevel finish (seems hand made).
Earliest models may have no mention of any US-patent of metallic parts. (PAT. NO. 1881229 on the bakelite body on all "B"-models).
Later and until August 10th 1937, the little tabs or "ears" on each side of the pick-up will bear a "PAT PEND.".
From 08/10/'37 on a patent number replaces the "PAT PEND." stamping.
"WAR TIME" MODELS (The second generation):
From 1940 to 1944/45, war time material shortages as well as economical considerations may have forced Rickenbacher to painting the 5 cover plates (however some have been sold with the plated finish):
White body plates. Most are enameled steel and others are of white celluloid:
Tone and Volume controls on treble side, stacked vertically.
The body style changed; the body's edges are now rounded (from the molding).
The neck is a little thicker and re-inforced (an invisible feature) and has white outlined frets (paint filled grooves on each side of each fret).
Most importantly probably, the formula of the bakelite was changed as the early one was so brittle that bodies would pop, chip and/or break during the manufacturing process.
The 1/4" jack now faces the audience.
These are still quite desirable guitars, as they still feature the much acclaimed 1-1/2" wide magnet plate pick-up (original design).
"POST-WAR" MODELS (The last generation):
Starting 1945 a smaller pick-up was introduced (1-1/4" wide).
Pick-up mounted with a metal frame (plated) surrounding all of the pick-up. This frame came into the way or the originally integrated bridge, so bridges are now a separate "screw-on" part. (The dumbest change IMHO).
It has always been said that the pick-up with the 1-1/4" wide magnet plates did not have the sound. 
(While I think that the new pick-up it's still a very decent sounding one, I agree, it's not the real deal.It lost much that characteristic Rick-sound. However, I don't think that it's the size of the magnet plates that really made the difference but the much smaller winding of the bobbin and the "screw-on" bridge.)
Probably in order to reduce the risk of body breakage, Rickenbacker also quit the string-thru attach design and introduced a plated metal tail piece (much like on semi-acoustic Jazz-guitars or Dobro's). You have to understand that bakelite is a very hard and abrasive to machine material, requiring tool to be re-sharpened very, very often.
Soon thereafter the logo changed to a "T"-shaped one, bearing the new spelling of the company RICKENBACKER, vertically.
The word is, that the company wanted to set itself apart from it's "German" roots of the name (funny however is, that ol' Adolph Rickenbacher and Beauchamp were both of Swiss background...).
In the 1950's the logo changed again, to a vertically mounted and spelled arrow shaped logo. 
Some of these latest models had a little cover over the head stock... they were called BD-models... the "D" standing for "Deluxe" (whoaw!).
But most interestingly, on it's last models, the company returned to the much preferred "string thru the body attach" approach.
There have also been some brownish bakelite models made for a third party company. They had all the features of a BD-model, just in a different color, much similar to some old bakelite radio cabinets of that time. The plates were painted in a gold tone. These were called the BRONSON model and sold without the Rickenbacker label.
On a final note:
In all generations, 7 string models are rarer than 6 string and also considered the most desirable for their versatility and playability. 7 string models are built out of a 6 string body and neck, Thus the string spacing on 7 string models is narrower, which makes slants a little more difficult. 
Rickenbacker has even used 6 string necks for some of their 8 string models, which are really "no-slanters" (IMNSHO) as the string spacing becomes very narrow.
10 string models were built on special order only. The company says to have no records of any of these. Still, they do exist. The neck was solid cast aluminum and the string spacing similar as on a B7.
When evaluating an instrument, please keep in mind that the early Rickenbacher company was a young enterprise in a brand new industry. Parts as control knobs, screws and especially tuning machines seem to have been put on these guitars as they came available... Also they did use some old parts on early newer generation guitars. Some of this, I suspect, at the personal request of pro-players too. 
So, don't be blended by a shiny set of plated body cover plates. Look at the body first; check the edges, the frets and the orientation of the plug, then the pick-up size and style and any patent information. Second generation and up models tend to have a glossier black. That's probably because of the changed bakelite formula. Check the string attach, but remember that the late 1950's models had "string-thru-the-body" attach too (but won't have the integrated bridge). Even some late post-war model may have left the factory with an impressive 1-1/5" pu (I haven't seen one yet, but after all I have seen, it wouldn't surprise me).
I am in the process of collecting digital photos of B and A series Rickenbacher lap steels and all information (catalog copies) possible. If you can take pictures of your guitar(s) please e-mail them to me together with serial number info.
All this information shall help me help you better.
Thanks!

[Glenn Wilde]

That's a great guitar, someone's going to score, i wish i could.

[Jon Zimmerman]

Great, comprehensive details from J. D. also.. if you don’t have that History of the Rickenbacker Guitar, by Richard R. Smith, and you are partial to Bakelite models, by all means, screen save the info he provided here as background. GLWTS, and attractive price point 😎

[Loren Tilley]

Whoa that’s a lot of information, very interesting indeed. I checked the serial number and to me it looks like G1008, but it is difficult to read. Also, there is a patent pending stamp on the pickup. I’ll add pictures below.

[J D Sauser]

It may SEEM odd to see a Pat-Pend. (1937-1940) Pre-WWII with only a volume control.
But we have found that Rickenbacher's operation was exactly run "scientifically". There are many guitars that have "older" parts.
STILL the same REAL DEAL Pre-WWII, born a B7. Still a STEAL in my opinion.

... J-D.

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[Loren Tilley]

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