Old Jeff Newman tuning chart

Michael Haselman · Post by **Michael Haselman** » 17 Jul 2006 1:36 pm

Does anyone know where I can get the old temper tuning chart? The one for E9 has E's at 440, B's at 439.5, etc. I'd like a copy, and the old C6 too, if it's available.

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Jim Eaton · Post by **Jim Eaton** » 17 Jul 2006 1:46 pm

Off the top of my head...
F# - 4.40
Eb - 4.385
G# - 4.365
E - 4.40
B - 4.395
G# - 4.365
F# - 4.38
E - 4.40
D - 4.39
B - 4.395.
Sorry I don't remember the number for the pedals and kl's.
JE:-)>

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David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 17 Jul 2006 1:56 pm

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 17 Jul 2006 2:26 pm

Dave's chart is the new one with the ref at 442.5. But, just subtract 2.5Hz from everything on the chart and you have it referenced at 440.

Jerry Roller · Post by **Jerry Roller** » 17 Jul 2006 2:47 pm

Mike, I have that old chart but it is pretty worn and beat up however most all of it is readable. If you send me your address I will mail you a copy.
Jerry[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 17 July 2006 at 03:49 PM.]

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 17 Jul 2006 5:14 pm

Jack's right. Also, if you look at the difference between the Es and the As on the B pedal, it looks like the chart anticipates a small amount of cabinet drop. A guitar with more or less cabinet drop may need different numbers. I think it is better to use your own ears to find the best chart for your own guitar.

Michael Haselman · Post by **Michael Haselman** » 17 Jul 2006 6:05 pm

Well, I've always used the old E at 440, B 439.5, etc. I'm too chicken to tune the E's to 442. The old way has always worked for me. And I've got the open strings memorized, but would like the pedals, though I do pretty well by ear. I do have the C6 chart where the C's are at 442.5. I will try that in my continuing slow C6 education.

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David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 17 Jul 2006 9:09 pm

Jeff's chart looks very similar to what I get by ear. I'm not sure where the 0.5 Hz stuff came from. I can't see a gradation that small on my meter, and I can't tune that precisely with my tuning keys. One thing I see is that I would want my D sharper than he has it. I tune it as the minor 3rd of the B minor chord made on the open strings B D F# B. For Just Intonation (JI), a minor third wants to be about 16 cents (about 4 Hz) sharp of equal temper (ET). If you tune the D to that chord by ear, that's about what you will get. That also works for the D as the minor 7th of the E chord, because the minor 7th also wants to be about 16 cents (about 4 Hz) sharp of equal temper. That also goes for the 2nd string D on the lever.

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 17 Jul 2006 9:24 pm

I drop everything 2 hertz,the "E"s are at 440.5,and the F#,1st,and 7th,are at 440.

Jim Saunders · Post by **Jim Saunders** » 18 Jul 2006 5:41 am

I have a lot of Jeff's older teaching material and the tuning charts on the front or rear cover have the E's at 440.

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Doug Childress · Post by **Doug Childress** » 18 Jul 2006 8:39 am

You can find Jeff's tuning chart on his website www.jeffran.com

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 19 Jul 2006 4:00 am

Michael,

The chart Jeff originally used is in the front of Scotty's book "Anthology of Pedal Steel". Page 10.

I would scan it and post it here but I am not sure if that would be cool with Scotty.

The B's are actually 439.5.

The book is still out there, I got one for my Grandson from Billy Cooper about six months ago or so.

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John Drury
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Bill Bosler · Post by **Bill Bosler** » 19 Jul 2006 6:46 am

I always worked in cents. Here's my chart from about 1980. I think it's the same as Jeff Newman's.

F# - 2b G - 1/2b
D# - 3 1/2b D - 1b C# - 2b
G# - 3 1/2b A - 1 1/2b G - 2b
E - 0 F# - 3b F - 7b Eb - 2b
B - 1/2b C# - 4b
G# - 3 1/2b A - 1 1/2b G - 0
F# - 2b G - 2b
E - 0 F - 7b Eb - 2b
D - 1b
B - 1/2b C# - 4b

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 19 Jul 2006 10:00 pm

John Dury, Does your APG book have a cassette tape,or a CD? I still have mine,and for the sake of having a clean recording,I'd like to get the CD if I can.

Jamie Lennon · Post by **Jamie Lennon** » 28 Jul 2012 9:10 am

I tune 4 strings 442.

The old tuning chart where the E's are 440, are guys tuning with your pedals down to E 440?

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 28 Jul 2012 10:09 am

FWIW, I have posted a scan of a Newman E9/B6 chart from 1998 here:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... 52#1973652