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Topic: 6th string Detuning: p.020 vs. p.022 |
Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 4:40 am |
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Since my steel has been stuck at home for a year (last gig was one year ago yesterday), I've been doing a lot of recording. The close listening this engenders has made me more sensitive to and uncomfortably aware of the sixth string detuning on my Super Pro. For some reason it is worse at some times as opposed to others. I recently put a set of NYXLs on, subbing a single plain .022 for their plain .020. I considered experimenting with a compensator (no time like when I'm still going to be steel-home-bound for a few more months), but I already have three raises on my sixth string (B pedal, 0 pedal G#-A# raise, and split tuner for B pedal+F-sharp lower on LKR).
Simple question: is the thinner .020 likely to produce less detuning than the .020?
Note: I am not interested in going to a wound sixth string. Did that on another Sho Bud and I didn't like the trade-off in tone/feel. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 6:50 am
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| I used "Sho-Bud" gauges on my Franklin D-10, as recommended by Mr. Franklin. That is a .020P for the 6th string. I used George L's "Nashville" string sets (Sho-Bud gauges) for most of the 38 years I had the Franklin. I did try some other brands and one brand had .022P in the E9th set. I didn't like that set but for the 6th string I didn't notice any difference in the cabinet drop for that string. |
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Duane Dunard
From:
Troy, MO. U.S.A.
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 8:14 am
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| Dan, quite a few players including me, prefer a wound .022, rather then a plain .022 on the 6th string for both tone and tuning stability. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 9:01 am
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| The thinnest core string will produce the least amount of cabinet drop and that is a .020w. A .022p should be worse than a .020p due to the increase in tension. |
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 10:00 am
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I don't prefer the tone of a wound 6th... but the difficulty in having a plain stay on its targeted note sort of forced me into it. That squirrely inconsistency -- on every PSG I've owned -- drove my ear crazy.
I'm not talking about cabinet drop when using the A-pedal or whatever-- I mean struggling to have a plain string stay on G# when tuning up the guitar and playing for a minute.
Added bonus of a wound string: less detuning when you use the A-pedal or knee levers.
But most aren't bothered by the small tuning issue which is why a plain string is the most popular choice.
Last edited by Tucker Jackson on 6 Mar 2021 12:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 10:31 am
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Yes Like Jim P. said ; as the bigger the diameter of string; the more and quicker it moves.
Of course; you can try a .018plain; it will drop less with what ya'll call "cabinet drop" and since you've given up on sound and tuning of the 6th string(a .020 or larger plain string in that position will always axle drop and have overtones that sound out of tune alllllll the time)....heck ....why not.
Ricky
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 3:01 pm
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Just a footnote question here-
Is it the sum diameter of the string or size of the CORE that dictates the movement?
In my understanding a p22 would generally travel quicker in pitch than a wound22, for example, because the CORE of the w22 is skimpier than that plain string. Even though the wound string may be wider in total diameter.
I could be wrong though. 🤔 |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2021 3:12 pm
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| It is not just the core based on my conversations w manufacturers as everything contributes to the tension however IMHO the core is the main culprit. |
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