Fender PS-210
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Anyone who's ever spent time under their pedal steel changing things should watch this series of vids by Basil on the 210. Absolutely fascinating.
The PS210 is like a steampunk pedal steel
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These are videos explaining how it works and how to adjust it. (In chronological order)
https://youtu.be/q3BHepNy-NE
https://youtu.be/kNYVlinti8g
https://youtu.be/_EhO9hcFr2g
https://youtu.be/LqcA2Oxw-OA
https://youtu.be/5AaVt4gE1A8
https://youtu.be/q3BHepNy-NE
https://youtu.be/kNYVlinti8g
https://youtu.be/_EhO9hcFr2g
https://youtu.be/LqcA2Oxw-OA
https://youtu.be/5AaVt4gE1A8
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Fender PS 210
I sure would like to see someone playing one of these Fender PS 210's... When I first saw one in a catalog, many years ago, I thought, Wow this is cool looking, I might buy one. Now that I've watched some of the videos, I'm certainly glad I didn't. Very complicated to set up properly. Just my 2 cents worth. They might be great, once you have it perfectly adjusted. Thanks, Tommy.....
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Basil this is very interesting, however the 3rd and 4th video come up as being unavailable... I remember drooling over the Fender Catalog that had this in it, but never ever got close to one.basilh wrote:These are videos explaining how it works and how to adjust it. (In chronological order)
https://youtu.be/q3BHepNy-NE
https://youtu.be/kNYVlinti8g
https://youtu.be/_EhO9hcFr2g
https://youtu.be/LqcA2Oxw-OA
https://youtu.be/5AaVt4gE1A8
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Later than Sho~Bud Crossover
Hi Ervm
Later than Sho~Bud Crossover. I remember seeing them in the Fender catalog about 1975.
Bet yah it's chilly up there in Minnesota just now?
Later than Sho~Bud Crossover. I remember seeing them in the Fender catalog about 1975.
Bet yah it's chilly up there in Minnesota just now?
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Just a few points about the PS-210 that are not common knowledge.
The mechanism was limited to 8 pedals and one knee lever, or 7 pedals and two knee levers and so on. basically just 9 possible changes. Also it was not possible to time the pulls.
Ron Bennett and myself found a way around the 8+1 limitation but never managed to get timed pulls.( https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
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All of the metalwork is "Case Hardened" steel, there is a duplication of parts with the earlier Fender Pedal steel guitars, the bellcrank and the shortscale model pedal rod ends and connectors.
The keyless mechanism had PTFE shims behind the 'sleds' BUT it wasn't very successful as the components holding the string invariably broke and the guitar just would not hold pitch for any normal period of time.
The Pickup HOWEVER was and still is "Revolutionary" The principal behind its design was that on a "Normal" ten string pickup strings 1 and 10 are NOT in the same magnetic field as all the others because they only have ONE adjacent polepiece. The Genius Mr. Fields decided to use 12 polepieces thus putting ALL the strings in an equal environment. i.e. a polepiece on either side.
A single bar magnet does NOT achieve the same effect; the actual field isn't the same as the fields created by ROUND polepieces. The strings do have a noticeable 'individual' identity and don't interact with each other in the same way as they do in a bar magnet's field.
You can clearly see the 12 polepieces and also the parts of the keyless mechanism that bent and broke.
One other point, the fact that the string spacing was the same at both the changer end AND the tuners end made the hand very tired when playing around the first few frets.
The mechanism was limited to 8 pedals and one knee lever, or 7 pedals and two knee levers and so on. basically just 9 possible changes. Also it was not possible to time the pulls.
Ron Bennett and myself found a way around the 8+1 limitation but never managed to get timed pulls.( https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
)
All of the metalwork is "Case Hardened" steel, there is a duplication of parts with the earlier Fender Pedal steel guitars, the bellcrank and the shortscale model pedal rod ends and connectors.
The keyless mechanism had PTFE shims behind the 'sleds' BUT it wasn't very successful as the components holding the string invariably broke and the guitar just would not hold pitch for any normal period of time.
The Pickup HOWEVER was and still is "Revolutionary" The principal behind its design was that on a "Normal" ten string pickup strings 1 and 10 are NOT in the same magnetic field as all the others because they only have ONE adjacent polepiece. The Genius Mr. Fields decided to use 12 polepieces thus putting ALL the strings in an equal environment. i.e. a polepiece on either side.
A single bar magnet does NOT achieve the same effect; the actual field isn't the same as the fields created by ROUND polepieces. The strings do have a noticeable 'individual' identity and don't interact with each other in the same way as they do in a bar magnet's field.
You can clearly see the 12 polepieces and also the parts of the keyless mechanism that bent and broke.
One other point, the fact that the string spacing was the same at both the changer end AND the tuners end made the hand very tired when playing around the first few frets.
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Confident nothing is missing.
Pretty positive nothing would be missing from this. He was scrupulous with his care of it. There are parts in the box. If he removed it, there was a reason.basilh wrote:The guitar for sale here is missing the volume & tone controls, and the switch to bypass the (Also Missing) automatic pickup selector on the changeover lever. See mine..
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Label
It says what it is and when/where it was built and when it was rebuilt and by whom. It is a label my father put in there, he always kept notes about work and records.Cartwright Thompson wrote:Wow. I don’t know much about these things but I’ve always been fascinated, ever since I pored over the fender catalog when I was thirteen.
What do you suppose the plaque on the bottom says?
Re: Confident nothing is missing.
So.... can we solve the mystery of the missing T/V controls? That’s weird!Victoria Conner wrote:Pretty positive nothing would be missing from this. He was scrupulous with his care of it. There are parts in the box. If he removed it, there was a reason.basilh wrote:The guitar for sale here is missing the volume & tone controls, and the switch to bypass the (Also Missing) automatic pickup selector on the changeover lever. See mine..
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Re: Confident nothing is missing.
So.... can we solve the mystery of the missing T/V controls? That’s weird![/quote]
Send me a picture private message and I will look for what you are talking about. Thats how much I know. Nothing. I am however confident in his scrupulous nature.
Send me a picture private message and I will look for what you are talking about. Thats how much I know. Nothing. I am however confident in his scrupulous nature.
Re: Confident nothing is missing.
What's strange is why would any player want to bypass the pickup selector system, and take it completely off the guitar.. ?Mark Helm wrote:So.... can we solve the mystery of the missing T/V controls? That’s weird!Victoria Conner wrote:Pretty positive nothing would be missing from this. He was scrupulous with his care of it. There are parts in the box. If he removed it, there was a reason.basilh wrote:The guitar for sale here is missing the volume & tone controls, and the switch to bypass the (Also Missing) automatic pickup selector on the changeover lever. See mine..
It would be nice to help Victoria sell the guitar and have a correct full description, including the copedent.
Re: Label
So It was rebuilt by someone. That would explain why the fretboards look wrong..Victoria Conner wrote:It says what it is and when/where it was built and when it was rebuilt and by whom. It is a label my father put in there, he always kept notes about work and records.Cartwright Thompson wrote:Wow. I don’t know much about these things but I’ve always been fascinated, ever since I pored over the fender catalog when I was thirteen.
What do you suppose the plaque on the bottom says?
The original looked like mine..
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Hi Basil, Question???
Hi Basil,
Question: Since you own one...
It looks like it might be hard to tune the open tuning with your finger picks on. Is that right or wrong?
Best wishes,
Andy
Question: Since you own one...
It looks like it might be hard to tune the open tuning with your finger picks on. Is that right or wrong?
Best wishes,
Andy
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Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project.
2017 Mullen SD-10, G2 5&5 Polished Aluminum covering. Custom Build for me. Great Steel.
Clinesmith Joaquin Murphy style Aluminum 8 String Lap Steel Short A6th.
Magnatone Jeweltone Series Lap Steel, Circa 1950? 6 String with F#minor7th Tuning.
1956 Dewey Kendrick D-8 4&3, Restoration Project.
1973 Sho~Bud Green SD-10 4&5 PSG, Restoration Project.
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Here you go!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vh3Zg5RncgudfR4QAbasilh wrote:Better still would be a picture of the parts in the box then some of the "experts" here can identify them for you Victoria !
Also of interest, Ronnie Bennett's mods to Basil's PS-210: https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
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Bob, is it just me or are all the pics on the thread you mention no longer there?b0b wrote:Also of interest, Ronnie Bennett's mods to Basil's PS-210: https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
Thse pictures from 2006 are actually stored on Basil's web site, which doesn't use https. Your browser may be refusing to load them because of that. The internet is changing!memphislim wrote:Bob, is it just me or are all the pics on the thread you mention no longer there?b0b wrote:Also of interest, Ronnie Bennett's mods to Basil's PS-210: https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/012905.html
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