Need simple C6 Instructional Materials
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- William Carter
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Need simple C6 Instructional Materials
I need some help finding some very basic C6 material. I heard that Buddy Emmons had a C6 course, but I can't find anywhere online to buy it.
Some YouTube's would be great, but I'm not having much luck, since most people are geared to E9. There's plenty of "how to play C6 on E9" out there. I guess nobody plays C6 on C6 anymore unless its lap steel.
I would just like to learn something simple at first like Your Cheatin Heart. If it's a bunch of jazzy songs that aren't country and I don't know them, it wouldn't be much help to me. I have to start with songs I know already.
Some YouTube's would be great, but I'm not having much luck, since most people are geared to E9. There's plenty of "how to play C6 on E9" out there. I guess nobody plays C6 on C6 anymore unless its lap steel.
I would just like to learn something simple at first like Your Cheatin Heart. If it's a bunch of jazzy songs that aren't country and I don't know them, it wouldn't be much help to me. I have to start with songs I know already.
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C6 Courses
I just ordered the C6 basic,s
Of buddies,off Jim palenscar.
Are you familiar with Jim,
Let me know i will send you
His contact.
Sam.
Of buddies,off Jim palenscar.
Are you familiar with Jim,
Let me know i will send you
His contact.
Sam.
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Way back at Scotty's #10, Jeff Newman held a free basic C6 seminar. He had a booklet that he passed out with an orange cover on it. It broke down the use of the tuning itself as well as the use of the pedals and bar positions. If you can lay your hands on a copy of one of those books, you won't do any better anywhere. That was 1981 at the Chase-Park Plaza Hotel.
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micky adams has a couple c6 lessons on youtube.
nightlife https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5j10oSMNA
nightlife https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5j10oSMNA
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dale rivard shows how to play all of mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftqHoOpvH0
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C6 Chord Chart by Patricia Warnock
I ran across this some time ago trying to flatten the curve from console C6 to pedal C6. Patricia has done an excellent job of laying out a good bit of C6 information. She has a similar chart for E9
I downloaded her file (it's free) and took it to the local quick print for printing on 11 x 17 card stock. I refer to it regularly.
http://www.cryinsteel.com/assets/C6-cho ... -11x17.pdf
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I downloaded her file (it's free) and took it to the local quick print for printing on 11 x 17 card stock. I refer to it regularly.
http://www.cryinsteel.com/assets/C6-cho ... -11x17.pdf
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John Spaulding wrote: Paul Franklin’s C6 Essentials
William, I would also recommend this. For $99.00 you get a lot of knowledge for a year. We are blessed to have Paul share his knowledge. That doesn’t come along every day in the world.
Ron
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Don't forget Jody Cameron... he's a Monster C6th player and also C6th on E9th as well...
https://jodycameronpsg.com
https://jodycameronpsg.com
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C6th vs E9th is an odd discussion, it always has been. The lower tuning mystifies players, even very proficient E9th players. Maybe because it sounds so different and has 5 pedals and few knee levers. That must be the reason.
Doug J has been telling us for years, if we are able to learn 12 to 15 chords/positions, in family and out if family, we can play the entire Fake Book. We do not have to play every chord form known to mankind.
In simplicity, if we remove 3 of the 5 pedals, leaving 5 and 6, and repeating a handful of string grips up , down and across the fretboard, we can perhaps play any song on our bands set list using ped 5, 6 or both ! Once we get that brave , add ped 7 . We don't need to play every "JOE PASS" chord known to mankind, we only need to play IN FAMILY chords and subs.
Ron Hogan has some wonderful examples in simplicity.
When we play baseball, if we are trying to be Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle or Dave Kingman everytime we get to bat, we will indeed strike out. Its the base hits that win the game.
IF we are trying to emulate, Buddy, Paul, Tommy etc out of the gate, we will fail. If its a 1,2, 4 , 5 song just play 1,2,4 and 5. If its a 1,6,2 (or 2M) ,5 song ( right in front of is with peds 5 and 6 ) just float in the groove. Its a C tuning. as in C, F and G.
I think we are trying to hard to emulate the masters.
Ron has offered us many nice things, at no cost ! take a look.
As much as I admire the masters, the material that gave me the best overall insight and foundation was Herbys programs. Literally two songs where I studied the positions and grips he described opened up the entire fretboard.
And that's the point, if we are just learning the songs and not paying attention to what the songs are showing us position and grip wise, then we may never get any further than ONE song. Apply those grips and positions in every key, now we are on the right road even iof its only 5 mph.
Go back and look at Rons posts, they may be exactly what we are looking for to get started. Crawl, then walk, then run.
remember, the C6th is really just C,F and G with a different sound along with 5 confusing Pedals and 3 or 4 confusing Knee levers ! Duck tape all except 5 and 6 to the floor !
Doug J has been telling us for years, if we are able to learn 12 to 15 chords/positions, in family and out if family, we can play the entire Fake Book. We do not have to play every chord form known to mankind.
In simplicity, if we remove 3 of the 5 pedals, leaving 5 and 6, and repeating a handful of string grips up , down and across the fretboard, we can perhaps play any song on our bands set list using ped 5, 6 or both ! Once we get that brave , add ped 7 . We don't need to play every "JOE PASS" chord known to mankind, we only need to play IN FAMILY chords and subs.
Ron Hogan has some wonderful examples in simplicity.
When we play baseball, if we are trying to be Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle or Dave Kingman everytime we get to bat, we will indeed strike out. Its the base hits that win the game.
IF we are trying to emulate, Buddy, Paul, Tommy etc out of the gate, we will fail. If its a 1,2, 4 , 5 song just play 1,2,4 and 5. If its a 1,6,2 (or 2M) ,5 song ( right in front of is with peds 5 and 6 ) just float in the groove. Its a C tuning. as in C, F and G.
I think we are trying to hard to emulate the masters.
Ron has offered us many nice things, at no cost ! take a look.
As much as I admire the masters, the material that gave me the best overall insight and foundation was Herbys programs. Literally two songs where I studied the positions and grips he described opened up the entire fretboard.
And that's the point, if we are just learning the songs and not paying attention to what the songs are showing us position and grip wise, then we may never get any further than ONE song. Apply those grips and positions in every key, now we are on the right road even iof its only 5 mph.
Go back and look at Rons posts, they may be exactly what we are looking for to get started. Crawl, then walk, then run.
remember, the C6th is really just C,F and G with a different sound along with 5 confusing Pedals and 3 or 4 confusing Knee levers ! Duck tape all except 5 and 6 to the floor !
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- Ken Metcalf
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There is a Jeff Newman course called the Universal course.
It deals entirely with B6th, Same as C6th just one fret lower. Starts slow and easy to understand with 3 chord blues progressions and gradually speeds up to swing style.
https://www.jeffran.shop/product-page/t ... 9th-course
here is a a copy of the audio.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ty65jitrem7a ... Rwm0a?dl=0
It deals entirely with B6th, Same as C6th just one fret lower. Starts slow and easy to understand with 3 chord blues progressions and gradually speeds up to swing style.
https://www.jeffran.shop/product-page/t ... 9th-course
here is a a copy of the audio.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ty65jitrem7a ... Rwm0a?dl=0
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C6 Chart
Thank you all for the kind comments.
I am happy to hear the chart is still useful.
I have not been on the forum in a long time.
Take care,
Patricia
I am happy to hear the chart is still useful.
I have not been on the forum in a long time.
Take care,
Patricia
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At today's age, I would go straight to Paul Franklin's course. Take the whole course... even if you can play E9th, there will be eye openers.
Jeff Newman's 4 C6th courses are now available on DVD too. They are still valid and well explained. Jeff KNEW how to TEACH. The material may seem dated, but music is what you make of it.
I would NOT recommend learning to play C6th from tablature. PROGRESSIONS and their understanding are pivotal when playing the type of music one tends to expect from C6th. The neck and the "system" behind the pedal setup up should be understood the same way. Tablature blurs the visual distance relationships of repeating movements like VI, II, V, IV... (all a 4th apart) by the use of fret numbers instead of distance.
... J-D.
Jeff Newman's 4 C6th courses are now available on DVD too. They are still valid and well explained. Jeff KNEW how to TEACH. The material may seem dated, but music is what you make of it.
I would NOT recommend learning to play C6th from tablature. PROGRESSIONS and their understanding are pivotal when playing the type of music one tends to expect from C6th. The neck and the "system" behind the pedal setup up should be understood the same way. Tablature blurs the visual distance relationships of repeating movements like VI, II, V, IV... (all a 4th apart) by the use of fret numbers instead of distance.
... J-D.
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Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
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A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
I say it humorously, but I mean it.
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Here's a great PDF that I refer to all the time: http://www.herbsteinermusic.com/C6_essay.pdf
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